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  • OniSoldier
    started a topic Why do we need God?

    Why do we need God?

    I have a simple question and nearly all Christians who I ask give the same answer. My question is: Why do I need God?

    First of all, I love my life, I love my wife, I feel that I live in a moral and positive manner, and I feel that my life has richness and fullness in it. Honestly, I feel fortunate for what I have in life and I feel grateful for my job, my house, my wife, and my child. With that being said, I don't feel like anything is missing from my life. So, at the end of the day, why would I need God in my life at all? I am by no means perfect, but honestly God causes so much confusion and you are left with more questions than you started with. Not only that, but the entire Christian faith relies on the presupposition that the bible is inerrant and the God is who he says he is in the bible. I can't just accept a presupposition without any grounds. So again, why would I go out of my way to believe in a God that will judge me for not believing in him, when on the other hand, I actually enjoy my life, love my family and job, and I get along well in life.

    Also, please don't say "Well, if you want a finite and subpar experience, go right ahead, that's your choice, more power to you." Just because one does not believe in God does not make one's existence subpar, and most certainly does not make it finite.

    This is a genuine and honest question.

  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    I have a simple question and nearly all Christians who I ask give the same answer. My question is: Why do I need God?
    Simple answer: You, you wife, and your kids ARE ALL SINNERS, and you HAVE FALLEN SHORT of the Glory of God. That you're happy and satisfied with things as they are is nice, but unimportant in the absolute.

    If you (your Wife, and your kids DO NOT become "born again of the Holy Spirit", and become Christians (not just religious, or "cultural Christians"), then your SIN remains on you, and will cause you to be judged with satan and his people, and banished eternally from God's presence, so "Heaven" will not be an option. Anybody who SEES the final judgement, WILL NOT MAKE THE CUT!!!

    Those who have REPENTED Of their sin and surrendered to God in faith that the BLOOD OF JESUS cleanses them from all sin no longer have to fear Judgement.

    This is a genuine and honest question.
    And I gave an honest answer. you should talk to a pastor from an evangelical; Church - Baptist, Assembly of God, etc. and see about getting things straight with God. Your present "feelings" about it will prove fatal.

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  • GISMYS
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    We all need the love of God.
    God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son,that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it.
    18 “There is no eternal doom awaiting those who trust him to save them. But those who don’t trust him have already been tried and condemned for not believing in the only Son of God. 19 Their sentence is based on this fact: that the Light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 They hated the heavenly Light because they wanted to sin in the darkness. They stayed away from that Light for fear their sins would be exposed and they would be punished. 21 But those doing right come gladly to the Light to let everyone see that they are doing what God wants them to.” John 3:16-21

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  • Setfree2018
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    Because to live a fruitful life free from self hate and worldly judgements, you need to experience the grace and mercy from our Lord Jesus Christ. Only through him we are able to feel the real love we have all been desperately needing.god loves, Jesus saves. Amen brother good luck

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  • noemail001
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post

    Lol! I am not talking to lowly people about my "problems." Additionally, I don't need to talk to anyone about what you are observing as "problems." I don't consider anyone to be lowly here, nor anywhere really, or at least I try not to (we all have our subconscious prejudices and flaws). I don't even consider this a problem! I simply wanted to see some Christian perspectives to this situation: living in content without the belief of the Judeo-Christian God.

    Yes, I lost my way, and after losing my way, I began to ask why we even come to a place where we feel that we "need," God. I have a few answers of my own, but I thought it would be nice to get the opinions of others.

    Did you ever answer the question or have you just been asking more questions? It's hard for me to tell.

    Also, the #1 and #2 questions that you asked about are copies of the exact question that I asked, but with different wording.

    You ask why one would need anything else.

    That's what I am asking. If those pre-conditions you stated above are assumed, and one would not need anything else, then why would one "need" God?

    I'm curious about opinions, not more questions.
    wow.

    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post

    ... I'm curious about opinions, not more questions.
    n>OK, you don't want more questions, so I will just tell you.

    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post

    ... If those pre-conditions you stated above are assumed ... then why would one "need" God? ...
    n>OK, you don't want more questions, so I will just tell you.
    Read more carefully. I did not "assume" "those pre-conditions". They were not preconditions. They were meant as obvious conditions of reality most rational mature humans should be able to acknowledge. But apparently you won't or can't. Please do not misrepresent my stuff. Since I did not say that... be aware that if you continue to misrepresent me, we're done.
    1) Since you have not existed forever, you need created. Or perhaps you do think you are eternally self existent. Here's what I will assume: I will assume you read sufficiently carefully to get that.
    2) Since you did not spontaneously poof into existence from nothing -- alone, on your own, you need created. Or perhaps you do think you think like Hawking, that the universe -- and you in particular -- created itself from nothing. Here's what I will assume: I will assume you read sufficiently carefully to get that.

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    That's the same response I hear from every Christian. "You can do as you please." So, the question was never answered.
    The question WAS answered precisely, and accurately. YOU CAN do what you please (since humans have freedom of WILL). However, there will be consequences related to any Decision you make.

    Why would an individual need a relationship with God?
    As I said - relationship with God = equals a pleasant eternity with HIM, since physical life on earth isn't the "Main Game". NO relationship with God = a lousy eternity.

    If you assume everything the Bible says is true, that's fantastic, but just because you or millions of people believe it, it does not make it true.
    TRUE STATEMENT!! what a million people think doesn't mean SPIT.

    The truth is the truth regardless of what a million people think.

    "There is, however, only one absolute truth, and anything OTHER THAN THAT is hot air." This pushes non-believers away, and I hear it constantly from my family (all Christians).

    The thing is, one absolute truth (let's say in a different country on the other side of the Earth) can be much different than your absolute truth based on the belief that the Bible is totally true.
    Then, by definition, if what you say is true, then there IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and even the concept of "truth" is meaningless.

    OF COURSE MY ABSOLUTE TRUTH pushes "non-believers" away AS IT SHOULD -

    Do the math!! it's because I'm telling them that they're WRONG - and humans don't like to be told that. But what they LIKE constitutes NOTHING of importance, if it leads inexorably to an ETERNITY of misery.

    If one is happy, lives a moral life, and sees no need for God in their life, then I ask, why is it wrong that he or she does not accept the God of the Bible?
    ANd I've already clearly stated that: Majoring on your "physical life" (for 90 years give or take) in pleasure, compared with an ETERNITY of utter regret and torment because you "Enjoyed your few minutes of life, and saw no need of God" is a decision that borders on insanity.

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  • Josheb
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    If... then... else....

    Since you appear to fathom the logic equation itself I'll let you sort through the theisms more easily discarded, such as the polytheisms (there can be several small-g gods, but there can't be several big-G Gods because that would be self-contradictory if they claim to be almighty).

    Here's an example that will eradicate nearly all competitors to Christianity:

    The western mythologies have personal gods. These gods have eyes and ears, arms and legs (usually), cognition, affect (emotion), and volition but none of them are infinite. They are always fighting with one another and this one wins on this occasion but another wins on that occasion. Zeus fights with Ra, who fights with Plut who fights with Thor who fights with Ochosi who fights with Aine, and so on and so on. These gods are personal, but not infinite. None are all powerful or all knowing or any other omni-attribute (even when it's claimed they are.

    Compare this to the eastern mythologies. These are the universal forces of the universe; the yin and the yang, the tao, etc. and if we align ourselves with these forces then we can reach enlightenment and become one with the universe. These forces are pervasive but not personal. The universe has no purpose and no will, and if there is a mind it is something we're all a prt of and not something constructing the universe itself. These forces don't actually care about anything, much less you or me. They just are. They are infinite, but not personal.


    Now compare this to the God of the Bible, the Hebrew God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from whence the Jews, Christians, and Muslims formed their religion. If this God's report is to be taken at face value then He is a He. He is a God who is both personal and infinite! He possesses cognitive, affective, volitional and relational qualities and also possesses omni-attributes.

    Why is this relevant or important?

    Because the world world in which we live, the world we observe and experience on a daily basis is both personal and infinite. What explains these two conditions? IF there is a God, THEN any God that actually does exist MUST be both infinite and personal, or ELSE we have a reason to reject that god.

    So of all the gods humans have come up with the God of the Bible turns out to be the one God that meets the conditions we regularly observe in creation. No supposedly Judeo-Christianity originated with a bunch of illiterate wandering nomads who stole their religion from others. That argument, Oni, would have us believe these illiterates came up with the one single theology that addresses the most profound conditions of existence.

    Let me mae a couple of statements for the sake of full disclosure. There are a few rare theisms that do assert an infinite-personal God. there are a few Pacific cultures who have such a god and their theism reads uncannily like Christianity. Most notably though is a sect of the Sikhs in Hinduism who explicitly teach God is One (Hinduism is otherwise polytheistic) and infinite and personal, but... they hold this God is unknowable.

    The God of the Bible is infinite, personal, and knowable.

    And that is exactly what we would expect as a consequence of logical necessities for any god claiming to be God.


    Happy to answer any questions about that, although I will reserve the larger issues of relevance to "Why do we need God?" for latter, trusting that you can already see some of the implications answering that question.

    Have you, in your studies, understood the premise of "Original Thought"?

    Are you aware of the premise of "Inherent information" (as opposed to attributed information)?

    That's where I'd like to go next as we build a foundation for understanding an answer to "Why do we need God?"

    Your patience and perseverance are appreciated, because I understand you may choose to leave any time.






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  • Josheb
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    However, you jump from the limitless God assumption straight into how we can use that assumption to reject any other form of theism. Which is a great process for defending the Christian faith and explaining why it would be one of the better religions to believe, but it kind of ignores the main question of why anyone actually needs to believe in God.
    Be patient; I'm getting there. And let's clarify the matter: I am not leaping from a "limitless God assumption" to anything. I am starting from a skeptical position about the claim or hypothesis, "God exists." I'm using logic to examine what can instantly be discarded because of failed logic, particularly te law of non-cotnradiction.
    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    Trust me, I have done a lot of research into Christianity, God...
    I trust you, Oni, but with all due respect - and I mean no offense by this next statement - but that claim is nowhere in evidence in these posts and all I have to go on is these posts.

    For example, the problem of Bible inerrancy is easily resolved but I read no evidence of any understanding of what I posted and anyone claiming "I have done a lot off research......" surely would already know and have resolved the problem that doesn't actually exist.

    So how about we put our penises back in our pants and stop seeing how far the other can pee? Okay?
    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    Most questions I research (those that hindered my faith) lead me to more questions than when I started.
    Why would you expect it to be any other way, Oni?

    What you're trying to do is understand the complex infinite from a point of simple finiteness. I've been a Christian for over 34 years and before that I was a hedonist, a practicing Buddhist, an agnostic, atheist, humanist, and I was even in a cult for a brief time. I don't post that to boast; I'm saying I too have done some searching, and I can approach the problem of "Why do we need God?" from several different starting points.

    Your frustrations are completely normal, but I suggest to you that at least some of them stem from unrealistic expectations because if you hope to come to a point where you have no more questions then you will ive a life of self-imposed disappointment - whether a believer in God or not!

    And I am certainly not going to be able to answer all your questions, and even if I were able to do so it would take many posts and you'd have to hang in here with me through it all. You asked me to trust you. I ask you to do the same.

    I believe I can help with an answer to "Why do we need God?" You're new here so you don't know my style yet, but most here can tell you I can be a bit of a nudge when it comes to staying on-topic. Everything I post will be related to the single question asked in this op (or at least that's my plan).
    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    Once I accepted that you can't intellectualize God, I understood that this is a religion that majorly revolves around faith, simply put. That's where I have always struggled, I just can't muster up faith, and when I did, I couldn't keep it, even with reading the bible, seeking earnestly, and praying, at the end of the day, I would still be mentally exhausted because I was accepting something without having any sort of proof, especially because I never heard from God, felt that my prayers were never answered, and I just couldn't accept any of it.
    Wow. There's a lot in there to address.

    First, faith can be the only way to any God because any God that can be reached by the finite is Her/Him/Itself finite in that way. That god is not a God. He might be a superior life form, but that's not a big-G God. But that doesn't mean faith is unreasonable or irrational. I'll come back to this point when we're done because when we're done I'll summarized at least some of the evidence and suggest there is plenty of reason to understand our need for God even if God can't be intellectualized.

    Second, there's the recurring problem of inordinate expectations. Earlier there was the aforementioned problem of unending questions. Now there are the problems of you being able to "muster" faith, and the perception of unanswered prayer, the performance mentality of "I need to keep it," and the refusal to accept it all. If you change the way you think then you'll change the way you act and abandoning it all is not the only option. In more fundamentalist language I would tell you that the belief you have to do it all, understand it all, and keep it all is.... a lie from the pit of hell . You've clearly had a thirst. I respectfully submit to you that this thirst of which you're acutely aware is one reason you need God. It comes from Him and you will find rest through it in Him, but it's not a condition that can be satisfied on this side of the grave and that may be one of the reasons I can help because I too study and have a never ending list of questions (some of which perhaps I'll share with you along the way) but I have solved this problem of thirst. Most of us Christians here have. You can too.

    I'll skip the rest for now so as not to digress far afiled of your original inquiry, "Why do we need God?"
    .
    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    So now, many months later (after giving up trying to believe and follow God) I feel good, I enjoy life, I have no complaints really, I am genuinely nice to people because I tend to see the good in everyone (or I try to as often as I can), and I feel perfectly fine.
    Does any of that mean God has stopped His involvement in Your life?



    I'm going to revisit the "If... then... else...." approach in a separate post because this one, while informative, won't get you to an answer to your inquiry. and I'd like to keep a thread intact as much as possible.

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  • OniSoldier
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    Originally posted by Josheb View Post
    Well, maybe I can help with the problem of inerrancy and then maybe we can discuss the god problem.

    First, the doctrine of inerrancy doesn't actually specify the Bible is without error. The doctrine explicitly stated the original writings in their original form are without error. No one says the Bible itself is perfect. Everyone acknowledges the problem of translation alone has caused us problems in understanding God's revelation to humanity.

    So get it out of your mind the Bible has to be perfect.

    It will take time and study to learn where the problem lie. You'll have to understand the problems with the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, the differences between Alexandria and Greece, Greek and Latin, the Septuagint, and a whole lot of stuff beyond the scope of this op. Done correctly it is an enlightening experience that will confirm your faith, not deny it.... if you can build upon the premise "God exists."

    You say you're open to the idea of a God existing. Good. Let's play around with this a little. I'd like to apply a logical construct to this part of the conversation, the "If..., the..., else..." equation. In other words, "If a God actually factually exists then certain things must be, or else we have reason to reject that particular god." Does that make sense?

    Here's an example: If a God exists then that God cannot exist solely inside of the universe because if god existed solely inside the universe that god would be subject to all of the many limitations of the universe, including but not limited to time, space, gravity, etc. Does that make sense? Put in the language of most religions it would be worded in the context of "creation" not "universe: If a God exists then that God cannot exist solely inside of that which S/He/It created. This reveals the added contradiction ofhow does such a god exist at all if said god exists solely in the creation: where did s/he/it exist before creating creation if s/he/it exists solely in creatio?

    Why is this useful or important?

    Because we can instantly reject any theism that holds 1) the universe is all there is and 2) god exists solely within creation. That would instantly negate most pantheisms based on the law of non-contradiction.

    Does that make sense? You with me so far? I hope this isn't too pedantic. I am only trying to clear up some of the confusion and give you at least an intellectual basis for consider what we might call the "God Hypothesis," of "God exists."


    Let me know if this is helpful because there are a lot of logical necessities that can be seen in Christianity but nowhere else in any other theism or atheism. I can't take you all the way to God because it's impossible to prove God's existence but I can get you a fair way in a couple of different ways if you're really interested.
    First of all, thanks for being so friendly and tactful in your writing.

    Yes, what you are saying makes total sense to me.

    However, you jump from the limitless God assumption straight into how we can use that assumption to reject any other form of theism. Which is a great process for defending the Christian faith and explaining why it would be one of the better religions to believe, but it kind of ignores the main question of why anyone actually needs to believe in God.

    Trust me, I have done a lot of research into Christianity, God, Jesus, and like I said, there are too many questions, most of which have answers that are like repetitive uses of verses in the bible. Most questions I research (those that hindered my faith) lead me to more questions than when I started. Once I accepted that you can't intellectualize God, I understood that this is a religion that majorly revolves around faith, simply put. That's where I have always struggled, I just can't muster up faith, ad when I did, I couldn't keep it, even with reading the bible, seeking earnestly, and praying, at the end of the day, I would still be mentally exhausted because I was accepting something without having any sort of proof, especially because I never heard from God, felt that my prayers were never answered, and I just couldn't accept any of it.

    So now, many months later (after giving up trying to believe and follow God) I feel good, I enjoy life, I have no complaints really, I am genuinely nice to people because I tend to see the good in everyone (or I try to as often as I can), and I feel perfectly fine. This lead me to wonder "Why does anyone actually need God?"

    I am beginning to think that Christianity allows an individual to be comfortable with death, and i'm not knocking that at all, that's great for those who believe it.

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  • OniSoldier
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post

    And that's the issue, of course. You're NOT perfect, and neither am I (or anybody else - except for one).

    And YES people can and DO live a "Good life" love their wife and kids, maybe even their jobs, maybe revel in their property, and are generously philanthropic - WITHOUT paying any attention to God. but that's not the point.

    We're going to die physically. I'm 75, and so maybe closer to that inevitable event than you are. but THEN WHAT?? If you're into annihilationism, maybe you're comfortable with "WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S over - PULL UP THE DIRT BLANKET AND PASS OUT OF EXISTENCE" - if that's even an option.

    IF, HOWEVER, there IS an afterlife conforming to "Heaven / HELL" as presented in the Bible, then NOT WINDING UP in the wrong place for ETERNITY becomes the ONLY really important thing in the short term of physical life, so that things will not get immeasurably WORSE when physical life is over, and AFTER-life takes over.

    God has made a way for you to enter into heavenly joys with your family and Him. That, in a nutshell is why you need God.

    That is all true only IF you perceive the God of Christianity to be true as well as the Bible. However, because none of us can actually observe the afterlife, perhaps there is more to it than just Christianity's perspective. What I am saying is that maybe there is more to the afterlife than the Bible explains. Again, just because one does not believe does not mean he or she will not have an enjoyable afterlife.[/QUOTE]

    That doesn't answer why one needs God, that answers why YOU need God. If one knows their time has come for them to pass on, yet they are unsure of where they are going, why does that then mean they should believe in God so that they go to heaven? There may be an afterlife that is not what is stated in the bible. The truth is that it is all unknown, and that the Christian uses their faith to comfort them in death so that they may believe they really know where they are going. Unfortunately, none of us really know what comes after death. I mean sure, you have faith in what the bible says, but do you really, really know? No, because if you did, there wouldn't be a point in having faith.

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  • Josheb
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    ...I guess this is mostly due to feelings of God not communicating, not answering prayers, and just overall confusion of trying to understand God, it was just tiresome.

    So, I am open to the idea of God existing, I just think that Christianity and the corresponding doctrines are just a sliver, or an attempt at trying to understand God, which at the end of the day, requires one to accept that the bible is inerrant, which is too hard to believe for me.
    Well, maybe I can help with the problem of inerrancy and then maybe we can discuss the god problem.

    First, the doctrine of inerrancy doesn't actually specify the Bible is without error. The doctrine explicitly stated the original writings in their original form are without error. No one says the Bible itself is perfect. Everyone acknowledges the problem of translation alone has caused us problems in understanding God's revelation to humanity.

    So get it out of your mind the Bible has to be perfect.

    It will take time and study to learn where the problem lie. You'll have to understand the problems with the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, the differences between Alexandria and Greece, Greek and Latin, the Septuagint, and a whole lot of stuff beyond the scope of this op. Done correctly it is an enlightening experience that will confirm your faith, not deny it.... if you can build upon the premise "God exists."

    You say you're open to the idea of a God existing. Good. Let's play around with this a little. I'd like to apply a logical construct to this part of the conversation, the "If..., the..., else..." equation. In other words, "If a God actually factually exists then certain things must be, or else we have reason to reject that particular god." Does that make sense?

    Here's an example: If a God exists then that God cannot exist solely inside of the universe because if god existed solely inside the universe that god would be subject to all of the many limitations of the universe, including but not limited to time, space, gravity, etc. Does that make sense? Put in the language of most religions it would be worded in the context of "creation" not "universe: If a God exists then that God cannot exist solely inside of that which S/He/It created. This reveals the added contradiction ofhow does such a god exist at all if said god exists solely in the creation: where did s/he/it exist before creating creation if s/he/it exists solely in creatio?

    Why is this useful or important?

    Because we can instantly reject any theism that holds 1) the universe is all there is and 2) god exists solely within creation. That would instantly negate most pantheisms based on the law of non-contradiction.

    Does that make sense? You with me so far? I hope this isn't too pedantic. I am only trying to clear up some of the confusion and give you at least an intellectual basis for consider what we might call the "God Hypothesis," of "God exists."


    Let me know if this is helpful because there are a lot of logical necessities that can be seen in Christianity but nowhere else in any other theism or atheism. I can't take you all the way to God because it's impossible to prove God's existence but I can get you a fair way in a couple of different ways if you're really interested.

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  • OniSoldier
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    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

    That, of course is a Biblical "given": Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him."

    If you choose to select a DIFFERENT definition of reality, then the same rules apply: "he that cometh to Agamemnon Demetrius Depopulous must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

    There is, however, only one absolute truth, and anything OTHER THAN THAT is hot air.



    OR - "MAYBE" there's not. Given the alternatives, AND the evidence supplied to me by God (of Christianity), that's not a "maybe" that I would personally put any weight on.

    YOU, of course, can do as YOU PLEASE.
    That's the same response I hear from every Christian. "You can do as you please." So, the question was never answered.

    Why would an individual need a relationship with God?

    If you assume everything the Bible says is true, that's fantastic, but just because you or millions of people believe it, it does not make it true. So, based on your faith, you believe it to be true.

    "There is, however, only one absolute truth, and anything OTHER THAN THAT is hot air."

    This pushes non-believers away, and I hear it constantly from my family (all Christians). The thing is, one absolute truth (let's say in a different country on the other side of the Earth) can be much different than your absolute truth based on the belief that the Bible is totally true.

    If one is happy, lives a moral life, and sees no need for God in their life, then I ask, why is it wrong that he or she does not accept the God of the Bible?

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  • OniSoldier
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    Originally posted by noemail001 View Post

    1) If you existed forever, then why would you need anything else? You would not need anything. You'd not have any needs at all, no air, no food, no gravity, no heat, no light. Your essence would be indestructible. Is that what you are? Have you existed forever? Are you indestructible?

    Or...

    2) If you spontaneously poofed into existence from nothing -- alone, on your own, and exist like in #1, then why would you need anything else? Did you poof yourself into an eternal existence?

    Here is another question: Since you obviously do not need God, why do you need to talk to lowly people about your problems... like this one?

    Here is another question: Why did you post that stuff here instead of over on the atheism forum? Did you lose your way? Or is it intentional? If it was intentional, then tell us what you intended.

    All of the above are genuine and honest questions in response to yours.

    .
    Lol! I am not talking to lowly people about my "problems." Additionally, I don't need to talk to anyone about what you are observing as "problems." I don't consider anyone to be lowly here, nor anywhere really, or at least I try not to (we all have our subconscious prejudices and flaws). I don't even consider this a problem! I simply wanted to see some Christian perspectives to this situation: living in content without the belief of the Judeo-Christian God.

    Yes, I lost my way, and after losing my way, I began to ask why we even come to a place where we feel that we "need," God. I have a few answers of my own, but I thought it would be nice to get the opinions of others.

    Did you ever answer the question or have you just been asking more questions? It's hard for me to tell.

    Also, the #1 and #2 questions that you asked about are copies of the exact question that I asked, but with different wording.

    You ask why one would need anything else.

    That's what I am asking. If those pre-conditions you stated above are assumed, and one would not need anything else, then why would one "need" God?

    I'm curious about opinions, not more questions.

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by OniSoldier View Post
    That is all true only IF you perceive the God of Christianity to be true as well as the Bible.
    That, of course is a Biblical "given": Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him."

    If you choose to select a DIFFERENT definition of reality, then the same rules apply: "he that cometh to Agamemnon Demetrius Depopulous must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

    There is, however, only one absolute truth, and anything OTHER THAN THAT is hot air.

    What I am saying is that "MAYBE" there is more to the afterlife than the Bible explains.
    OR - "MAYBE" there's not. Given the alternatives, AND the evidence supplied to me by God (of Christianity), that's not a "maybe" that I would personally put any weight on.

    YOU, of course, can do as YOU PLEASE.

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  • OniSoldier
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    Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
    Why do you need God?? Will you want and need God when you have cancer,stroke,heart attack ,car crash, attacked by evil or will you still ask why do I need God?? You may get the real answer before you want it!.
    Well, using violence or the worst possible situation, or dying to reason why one needs God is not a very good argument or reason.

    Also, why do Christians assume that only their afterlife is the true definition of what is after death? The truth is that none of us have any idea. For all you know, I could see you in the afterlife at some "heavenly" realm, or some altered state of conscious existence. Just because I don't believe does NOT MEAN that I will not have a positive and enjoyable afterlife.

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