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  • #16
    Originally posted by JAG View Post
    Common sense compels the sane interpreter to give Matthew 7:13-14 an interpretation that does not deny reality. You
    can interpret Matthew 7:13-14 as having application only to the people of that time period. If you apply Matthew 7:13-14
    to all of human history you end up with an interpretation that contradicts other clear Bible verses (see the OP and my other
    posts in this thread.)
    Believe whatever you like. It's unimportant.

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    • #17
      The number who claim to follow Christ may be large. But, the number who actually do follow Christ is small. Jesus told us narrow is the way, and few will find it.

      If a third of the world's population were really Christian, a third of the world would be a theocratic paradise. But, not even one city is that.

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      • #18
        To those who are looking for Christian optimism, I offer this:

        The Lord Jesus' Great Commission will be carried out successfully. The entire world will
        be Christianized as human history moves forward as mega millenniums unfold on the time
        line of Church history.

        At the end of Matthew's gospel in chapter 28 the Lord Jesus gave His disciples a command
        to go and make disciples of all the nations teaching them to obey everything He had
        commanded His apostles to put into practice. The POWER behind the certain success
        of Jesus' Great Commission to His apostles was His statement that "all authority in heaven
        and earth has been given to me." He then said "therefore" go and make disciples of all the
        nations. THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Nothing can stop that. All the nations eventually are
        going to become disciples of the Lord Jesus. Again why? Because ALL AUTHORITY in both
        heaven and earth has been given to the Lord Jesus THEREFORE go and make disciples of
        all the nations of the earth. The issue is not will this happen. That's already a settled issue.
        The only issue is how long will it take. Its going to take a long time. The human race is now
        in its infancy. We are only a few weeks old, historically speaking. We have mega millenniums
        yet ahead for the Christian Church to successfully carry out the Great Commission.

        Question: Are you reader, willing to hold and teach that the Lord Jesus will FAIL? You only have
        two choices here:

        (1) All authority in Heaven and Earth has been given to the Lord Jesus, THEREFORE He said
        go into all the world and make disciples of all the nations. This will actually happen. The task
        and command that Jesus gave to His church here will be successfully carried out before history
        comes to an end.

        (2) Jesus will FAIL in His plan to have all the nations discipled. Even though he has now been
        given all authority in Heaven and Earth, He will still FAIL and all nations will NOT be made His
        disciples.

        You must choose either (1) or (2). There is no other choice. Jesus either FAILS or He is SUCCESSFUL.




        The Lord's Great Commission To His Christian Church:
        Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

        Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go andmake disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

        Matthew 28:16-20
        Here in revelation 7: 9-12 we have the fulfillment of the Great Commission of Matthew 28.

        The Fulfillment Of The Lord's Great Commission To His Christian Church:
        After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:

        “Salvation to our God,

        who sits on the throne,

        and to the Lamb!”

        And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
        "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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        • #19
          The yeast of the gospel will eventually make disciples of all the nations.

          "He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that
          a woman took and mixed into three measures of flour, until all of it was leavened.”
          Matthew 13:33

          * The subject is the Kingdom Of Heaven

          * The yeast is the gospel.

          * The three measures of flour is the entire world.

          * The final result is that "all of it was leavened" that is the entire world will be Christianized.
          "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JAG View Post
            The yeast of the gospel will eventually make disciples of all the nations.
            The absolutely satanic doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ruk View Post

              The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.
              Based on your comment above you might appreciate some Christian optimism. I highly recommend Dr. Kenneth Gentry's magnificent work He Shall Have Dominion: A Postmillennial Eschatology (Third Edition: Revised and Expanded.)
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              "In this greatly expanded and wholly updated version of Dr. Gentry s classic study of postmillennialism, you will sense anew the powerful message of Psalm 72 that Christ shall have dominion from sea to sea. You will learn that God's word promises that the whole earth will be filled with his glory so that all nations will call him blessed - before Christ returns. Many evangelicals today are concerned about those being Left Behind on this Late Great Planet Earth as it collapses into absolute chaos. But the postmillennialist optimistically believes that He Shall Have Dominion through the Spirit-blessed labor of his blood-bought Church by its faithful obedience to the New Covenant. In this book you will find the whole biblical rationale for the postmillennial hope, from its incipient beginning in Genesis to its glorious conclusion in Revelation. Your faith will be re-invigorated as you begin to recognize that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16) and that our Lord Jesus really meant it when he commanded us to go and make disciples of all the nations (Matt 28:18-20)."



              Link:
              https://www.amazon.com/Shall-Have-Do...al+eschatology


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              "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ruk View Post

                The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.

                More Christian optimism:

                Postmillennialism: An Eschatology Of Hope by Keith A. Mathison

                Here is what one reviewer said about Mathison's work:

                "In Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope, Keith Mathison looks to make a case for an optimistic eschatology, where the Great Commission will be successfully accomplished and all nations will be successfully discipled to Christianity. In carrying out this end, Mathison surveys the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and notes those texts where the hope of the world and the goal of the family of Abraham is the conversion of all the nations- not merely a godly remnant from the nations. In this project, Mathison is successful. The Bible is so full of passages which promise the conversion of all the nations that it's not a particularly difficult task. The nations, as nations, will stream to Zion and learn the law. The families of the Earth- all of them- will be blessed by the Abrahamic covenant."___Thomas C. Hamiltion (Found in the comment section st the link below.)

                Link: (To buy the book from amazon)
                https://www.amazon.com/Postmillennia...tology+of+hope
                "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ruk View Post

                  The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.
                  More Christian optimism:

                  An Eschatology Of Victory by Marcellus Kik.


                  Based on your comment up there you will love what the following reviewer said about this work:


                  Start quote:
                  In
                  this day and age of
                  the End Times Industry
                  where American Christians
                  compare their plight in regards to morality, to the deepest level, and earthquake,
                  and hurricanes as evidence of the Last Days, this book provides the proper historical
                  context for the eschatological passages in the Bible. Kik uses scripture to interpret
                  scripture and properly reveals the true nature of the the Messianic Kingdom, in terms
                  of its purpose and scope.
                  `
                  When this is done all the sensationalism of
                  dispensationalism, antichrist, one world government, chip in the hand
                  and the forehead all become what they really are, "Silly conjectures with
                  no basis in scripture".
                  `
                  This book is going to offend diehard dispensationalists
                  in that it totally
                  refutes their eschatological view. It also offends the amillenialists, but truth is
                  obligated to only offend those that are at variance with it.___McKeon Gratian

                  (end quote) Note: This quote found in the comment section at the link below

                  Link to buy the book from amazon:
                  https://www.amazon.com/Eschatology-V...ogy+of+victory


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                  "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ruk View Post

                    The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.

                    Here is the granddaddy of all the great works on future Christian optimism. Its Dr. Loraine Boettner's magnificent work titled The Millennium


                    Says one reviewer:
                    Start quote:
                    This is the first book I have read on eschatology, and it did not disappoint. Boettner is a postmillenialist who thoroughly examines all three views on the millenium: postmillenialism, amillenialism, and premillenialism (including dispensationalism). I grew up in a premillenial tradition and had always been taught two contradictory views concerning the end times: 1) the Rapture could occur at any time without warning or sign, and 2) there are many signs around us (e.g. Jews moving back to Pallestine) signifying that the end is near.
                    Boettner does a great job destroying both of these myths by using the scriptures exhaustively.
                    The picture he paints is that of a church victorious on the earth with Christ as its leader.___David (no last name given) Comment can be found in the comment section at the link below.


                    Link (to buy the book from amazon:
                    https://www.amazon.com/Millennium-Lo...S8V7H5E432RPN0
                    "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ruk View Post

                      The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.
                      Here is one I have never read, but many say it is a magnificent work:

                      Its titled Victory In Jesus: The Bright Hope Of Postmillennialism by Greg L. Bahnsen

                      Here is what one reviewer said about his work:

                      Start quote:
                      Greg Bahnsen was studied enough to debate philosophy. But this book, taken from lectures, is in such simple and clear language that you could use it in your youth group. Furthermore, it is packed with several valuable studies. Not only does he deal deftly with the real differences among Premillennial, Amillennial, and Postmillennial interpretations and their implications for practical living; the late, great Bahnsen gives an astoundingly good overview of the book of Revelation in the first chapter - the best broadbrush picture I've ever read. There is also a very important nugget - a goldmine, really - in the final chapters' study about Satan and the various names/titles given to this fallen creature. That alone would merit repackaging the book with a title about a study of Satan and his defeat by the Lord Jesus Christ___John Bunyan (comment found in the comment section at the link below

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                      Link to buy the book from amazon
                      https://www.amazon.com/Victory-Jesus...ustomerReviews


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                      "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ruk View Post

                        The . . . . doctrine of Dispensationalism asserts the Great Commission will fail, that the Church will fail, and that Jesus will come back to take away, rescue, the remaining Christians from the flames and ashes of the failed church. Dispensationalists, to the glee of Satan, love to point out and claim the church is failing. Of course, they don't use the straight forward language I'm using, but that's just because I'm honest about what they're saying, rather than speaking like they do, saying one thing while pretending to say another.

                        I think you would enjoy getting to know this man here in this video: Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLLE4srpZOA

                        "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8)

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                        • #27
                          Postmillennialism had been very popular through church history, until the 20th-century. It's a partial-preterist doctrine.

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