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  • Socialization !

    Well, I'm glad this issue is losing its relevance.

    The insight that public school socialization is the weird kind will, in time, transform our culture!

  • #2
    Originally posted by RJR_fan View Post
    Well, I'm glad this issue is losing its relevance.

    The insight that public school socialization is the weird kind will, in time, transform our culture!
    We got alot of the negitive stuff from non home schoolers about socialization. I told them I didn't want them to be socializing with some of the kids in public school. My children have never been short of kids to socialize with. We have always had the neighbors kids to be with and that was plenty not to meantion the cousins. I don't think socializing was ever a problem.
    Now they go to college and do just fine. They are always bringing someone home or going to their friends house or outings.

    Dell
    For we walk by faith, not by sight!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RJR_fan View Post
      Well, I'm glad this issue is losing its relevance.

      The insight that public school socialization is the weird kind will, in time, transform our culture!
      I've never understood this concern. Honestly I don't want my kids to have the kind of "socialization" the P.S kids receive. Homeshooled kids have a greater opportunity to be socialized among people of all ages, not just those in the peer group. They have more time to participate in actives giving them more "socialization" time as well, then those who are stuck in a brick building all day, just to come home and have two or more hours of homework to complete.
      Psalm 40:1-3
      Galatians 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

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      • #4
        I am a retired public high school teacher in Canada. I taught for 34 years. To be honest we don't have a great many home schooled children here. I suspect that is because we don't have the numbers of fundamentalist / evangelicals here as compared to the USA. Many of the home schooled here do enter the public school system for their high schooling. I believe it takes very dedicated parents who are well educated themselves to be successful at home schooling. It took me 6 years past HS to obtain my BSc, MSc and BEd to be qualified. The home schooled students that I have encountered have been a very mixed bag ---- some had an outstanding education and some were almost illiterate. Most seemed to be well socialized but there was a minority that were not. BTW one thing that I deeply resented was the public schools being used as the dumping ground for students from the RC system and from various private Christian schools. These were students that they just couldn't handle any more. I frequently wished that we could have reciprocated with some of our misfits and problem children.
        The floggings will continue until morale improves.

        Never argue with a fool. They will only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

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        • #5
          There are kids who graduate P.S who can barely read, so it just doesn't happen with H.S kids. In my state of Pennsylvania the kids are pushed along, and not allowed enough time on one concept, in the subject of math for example, before they a force fed the next concept. If the kids grasp it the first time great, if they don't well that's just to bad cause it's time to move on. They spend all their school time basically cramming the kids for the P.S.S.A test they will be taking at the end of the year, the kids have no time to really learn what they are being taught.

          Since when does having a college degree equal being able to teach? Who knows your kids and how they learn better than you? The P.S teacher doesn't, they has 20+ other kids in the classroom aside from your child in need of their attention.

          There's many helps out there for parents who chose to H.S their kids. H.S kids have many avenues to learn and explore their interests, they aren't committed to just text books, and someone standing in front of them "teaching". P.S may work and be the best fit for some parents and kids, but it's not for every family, like homeschooling isn't for every family.
          Psalm 40:1-3
          Galatians 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

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          • #6
            I am in general agreement with what you said. For most people economic realities frequently require two working parents so home schooling is not even a possibility for them. My experience in Canada as a public HS teacher does not seem to be that in the USA. I do know that teachers seem to be more valued and respected in Canada and that our school system seems much more widely respected. There are problems of course but not the sort that seems to plague schools in the USA.

            Originally posted by MistyAnn0414 View Post
            Since when does having a college degree equal being able to teach?
            I believe that being able to teach is a gift. In my case it was greatly enhanced by my teacher training. Above and beyond that is the question of whether or not you know what to teach. Do you know your subject? I taught physics and mathematics and I have no hesitation is saying that very few parents could do a credible job of teaching that except perhaps at the lowest grade levels. Biology teachers have the much more difficult job of having to contend with people wishing to inflict their religious beliefs into the science curriculum. Thank God that has not become a major problem in Canada.
            The floggings will continue until morale improves.

            Never argue with a fool. They will only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JRT View Post
              I am a retired public high school teacher in Canada. BTW one thing that I deeply resented was the public schools being used as the dumping ground for students from the RC system and from various private Christian schools. These were students that they just couldn't handle any more.
              I wish that PS teachers and principals did not automatically consider all students transferring from a private Christian school to be a trouble student.

              I experienced this attitude when my son transferred to PS due to the Christian school changing from teacher led instruction to computer based self paced learning.

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              • #8
                I was homeschooled through the entirety of my elementary and high school years, and am now enrolled in a private secular college. Having spent the majority of time around my parents, I naturally picked up their ways of relating to people, and so it was difficult for me to make friends my own age. Even now, my best friends are an average of 10 years older than me.

                If I were to have had the chance to choose between HS and PS, I still would've chosen the former. Public education is tolerant of everything except Christianity. I don't believe that it's automatically the answer for everyone, but I do believe that if Christian parents feel it is best that they enroll their children in PS, they should be sure they are strong in their faith and not "tossing waves", to paraphrase James, susceptible to every wind of doctrine. I have known of both Christian kids in PS that are strong witnesses where they are, and Christian school students that have backslidden, especially when they reached the college years. It must be whatever the Lord guides one to do.
                I shall possess within the vail/a life of joy and peace

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WithinTheVail View Post
                  I was homeschooled through the entirety of my elementary and high school years, and am now enrolled in a private secular college. Having spent the majority of time around my parents, I naturally picked up their ways of relating to people, and so it was difficult for me to make friends my own age. Even now, my best friends are an average of 10 years older than me.

                  If I were to have had the chance to choose between HS and PS, I still would've chosen the former. Public education is tolerant of everything except Christianity. I don't believe that it's automatically the answer for everyone, but I do believe that if Christian parents feel it is best that they enroll their children in PS, they should be sure they are strong in their faith and not "tossing waves", to paraphrase James, susceptible to every wind of doctrine. I have known of both Christian kids in PS that are strong witnesses where they are, and Christian school students that have backslidden, especially when they reached the college years. It must be whatever the Lord guides one to do.
                  I am a homeschooled teen, and i have no problem at all with socialization. I have friends my same age, and friends older and younger than me. I agree that the p.s. world is hostile to christianity, but if you are a strong christian, it provides oppurtunities to witness to others and grow in your faith.
                  I have friends who are very strong christian children, and they go to p.s., and that provides oppurtunities for strengthening thier faith. I am very glad that I am homeschooled, but if someone is strong in their faith, p.s. might not be a bad thing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gerry_G View Post
                    I wish that PS teachers and principals did not automatically consider all students transferring from a private Christian school to be a trouble student.

                    I experienced this attitude when my son transferred to PS due to the Christian school changing from teacher led instruction to computer based self paced learning.
                    Thats how I met and married my wife. She transferred from a Catholic school her jr year to the public high-school I was at,we started dating and married at 25. We are now 50. We also home-schooled our 3 older kids and they did fine in H.S. and college. We just recently took our 12 year old out of public school in jr high and are now teaching him at home through a very good charter school. He want to continue through H.S. He was in public school from kindergarten through 6th. The socialization objection is nothing but a myth from the anti home-school crowd.
                    His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by civic View Post
                      Thats how I met and married my wife. She transferred from a Catholic school her jr year to the public high-school I was at,we started dating and married at 25. We are now 50. We also home-schooled our 3 older kids and they did fine in H.S. and college. We just recently took our 12 year old out of public school in jr high and are now teaching him at home through a very good charter school. He want to continue through H.S. He was in public school from kindergarten through 6th. The socialization objection is nothing but a myth from the anti home-school crowd.
                      Wow, despite our disagreements, we have something very important in common. Hey have you seen the "homeschool family" utube, a spoof of "adam's family"?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RJR_fan View Post
                        Well, I'm glad this issue is losing its relevance.

                        The insight that public school socialization is the weird kind will, in time, transform our culture!
                        yes the most bizzar justification for PS I can imagine. Let me send my child into an environment where there is basicly unsupervised mob rule at times, among small children, many of whom have negligent parents who teach them nothing of kindness and respect toward others.

                        My wife tells me of here publik skuel experience as preteen, she was picked on mercilessly by many of here peers, they made her cry every day, it was a living hell for her. Oh but that builds character and teaches children to be "tough", lol.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by simplelife View Post
                          Wow, despite our disagreements, we have something very important in common. Hey have you seen the "homeschool family" utube, a spoof of "adam's family"?
                          no I will have to check it out.

                          btw- I thought we also had the Trinity and Deity of Christ in common.
                          His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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                          • #14
                            Hello,

                            Students can have many opportunities for social interaction no matter where they attend school, as long as their parents make an effort. It's a little easier for kids who go out to school, because there are classrooms full of peers to meet, but homeschooled kids also have plenty of chances if their parents work at it. My eldest sister is the mom of ten, all homeschooled, and they interact with peers through sports teams, clubs, church groups and just friends who live nearby. They also get to meet different adults because they go to extracurricular lessons like piano and swimming. Personally, I went to public and private schools and never had any problems at either but we also did things outside of school, like go to summer camps and ballet lessons. I think people who oppose homeschool aren't afraid the kids won't be socialised, but are concerned about the type of socialisation they get. They are probably worried that the children are sheltered from people with different mindsets. My nieces, who are teens, don't have that issue at all. They know all kinds of kids. I think my sister wishes they didn't. :P

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                            • #15
                              In my area of the US our schools offer a home school program and we used that for our two youngest. Worked really well.

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