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Fornication vs. Adultery

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  • Fornication vs. Adultery

    A friend of mine has decided her marriage is false because the church is invalid.
    I told her it was more important that people be yoked with their proper spiritual partners.
    The spirit of the law matter first, and then the letter follows from that, not the other way.

    She is more caught up in the verses that say fornicators shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.
    I said the spirit of adultery and coveting is the cause of that, which is in the 10 commandments
    while fornication is not (because it is prevented by not coveting and not committing adultery).

    She believes adultery is a form of fornication.
    I said it was the other way, fornication is a form of adultery.
    Why?

    When Jesus said committing lust in the heart was committing adultery he meant in spirit.
    That's against the spirit of the 10 commandments against coveting and against adultery.

    I said that's why fornication doesn't need to be in the 10 commandments
    because if we don't lust or covet we don't commit either adultery or fornication.

    I said adultery is basically based on coveting sexual relations with someone other than
    your spiritual partner because that means you are coveting the partner of a neighbor, not your own.

    My friend is taking the laws literally that fornication means sex outside legal marriage,
    and that's God's laws barring such people from entering heaven.

    I said if we follow the SPIRIT of the laws, we will follow the LETTER as a consequence
    and so we don't worry about policing by the letter of the law, we correct relations by the SPIRIT and the letter FOLLOWS.

    What do you believe and how would you explain this better?
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