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    I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

    When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

    They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
    Last edited by magnificat; 08-25-13, 11:26 PM.

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    Originally posted by magnificat View Post
    I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

    When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

    They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
    Remember too that animals are entirely dependant upon man. Even the ones roaming in the remotest parts of the earth. We may not see it,but we did have some participation in their survival . Domestic, or wild.
    " I am waging a war against God. Even though He dose not exist." Richard Dawkins." Hummm,really there Richard.."

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      Good point,it says in the Bible that God gave Adam dominion over the animals. They are dependant on us,and that is why I am glad there are many people who care about animals, and try to take care of them,like veterinarians and rescue groups[who save animals from being put to sleep at shelters],or just kind souls who see a hungry or thirsty dog or cat on a hot day and put on cool water and food for them and show them affection by giving them a pat on the head, in a sense I believe they are doing God's will also.
      Last edited by magnificat; 08-27-13, 02:10 PM. Reason: spelling

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      • #4
        Originally posted by magnificat View Post
        Good point,it says in the Bible that God gave Adam dominion over the animals. They are dependant on us,and that is why I am glad there are many people who care about animals, and try to take care of them,like veterinarians and rescue groups[who save animals from being put to sleep at shelters],or just kind souls who see a hungry or thirsty dog or cat on a hot day and put on cool water and food for them and show them affection by giving them a pat on the head, in a sense I believe they are doing God's will also.
        magnificat, the Bible says God made animals and He takes care of them. Psalm 9, He gives to the beasts their food and to the young ravens that cry." He does tell us to take care of the animals and that whoever is righteous will have regard for the life of the animals. After the flood He gave us some animals to eat.

        I do think some of us go overboard in that we might put a pet above other humans. Since humans are made in the image of God we are told to love and help each other. As long as we remember that mankind comes first I think we can spend money for food on them and meds when they are sick. Also to put them to sleep if they are suffering. If we lavish love on an animal but ignore another persons needs then IMO we have stepped over the line. But then, there are some that have such an affinity for the poor that their families may suffer for food, clothing, etc because they have donated to too many causes. There should be a balance in everything we do. God first, spouse and children and then all the other needs in balance.

        We have a dog and a cat. Both are trained and when someone comes over the animals play but behave. The cat just got out of ICU and cost a bundle to get her out. My husband left a door standing open and a stray cat came in and bit her and the infection was so bad she is still taking antibotics after 2 weeks and being tended to so that skin will grow over an area 3" x 4". I am not uncomfortable with spending that money as this week I spent hours at the doctors office with my step daughter and will go with her to surgery next Tuesday plus her spending a couple of days with us before and after. The cat cost in money (plus hours of care) and the human cost in time. !! I am not counting tit for tat but only showing an example.

        We have fresh water out for strays but no food because birds and raccoons get it. The husband left a sliding door open years before I was here and a mama raccoon came into his bedroom with her babies. The noise woke him and he saw eyes staring at him. The next day he had to call a guy that came over and removed them to the woods. Our animals are trained but I am having a hard time training the husband to stop leaving doors open.

        Bless you magnificat for being a good steward.
        Romans 1:17, For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written:"The righteous will live by faith.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by magnificat View Post
          I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

          When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

          They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
          No, so long as giving to the poor isn't neglected. I have always thought one of God's greatest gifts to us is our pets. Look at the joy they bring to us (at least sometimes; I'm not sure about our Pom, Abby, aka, Abby-noxioius...). They also provide services for us, like Seeing Eye Dogs, Hearing Ear Dogs, watchdogs, dogs that help people with seizures, and now there is a fairly new group of dogs--I forget what they are called, but I think it is "Comfort Dogs" that are trained to give comfort to hurting people, esp. children. Our church, the LCMS, helps to sponsor this group. They went to that town in Massachussets, where the gunman shot and killed children and teachers--I've forgotten the name of the town, though, shame on me--and also went to Boston after the Boston Marathon bomber hurt and killed and maimed people. to give comfort to the survivors. And look at the search and rescue dogs during 9/11--!

          Even cats have been known to save their owners' lives, through alerting them to fires or danger of some kind.

          So, no it isn't sinful to help out abused and starved animals. From what I have read, most of these therapy dogs and special talent dogs come from rescue groups and animal shelters.

          The bible says "a good man looks after the life of his beast." And we should.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by magnificat View Post
            I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

            When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

            They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
            Absolutely, God wants us to care for the animals! In fact, the animals were created before Adam was, and were brought to Adam to be named by him. They were Adam's original companions, and they were not violent creatures who were chasing each other down for food.

            Proverbs 12:10 says, "A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal...."

            Romans 8 describes the groaning of the creation, which has been subjected to futility and corruption and eagerly awaits "the revealing of the sons of God", in expectation of also being delivered from such corruption.

            And of course we're all familiar with the Isaiah prophecy of the wolf lying down with the lamb, etc.....a picture of harmony and peaceful coexistence between animals and animals, and animals and people when all is restored.

            God emphasizes that we are to LOVE mercy. He doesn't say "love mercy to people and embrace cruelty and neglect of animals."

            Some of us, He has hard-wired to care more than most people do. I'm glad to be one of those people.
            "For the eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His...." 2 Chronicles 16:9 NASB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by christdependent View Post
              Absolutely, God wants us to care for the animals! In fact, the animals were created before Adam was, and were brought to Adam to be named by him. They were Adam's original companions, and they were not violent creatures who were chasing each other down for food.

              Proverbs 12:10 says, "A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal...."

              Romans 8 describes the groaning of the creation, which has been subjected to futility and corruption and eagerly awaits "the revealing of the sons of God", in expectation of also being delivered from such corruption.

              And of course we're all familiar with the Isaiah prophecy of the wolf lying down with the lamb, etc.....a picture of harmony and peaceful coexistence between animals and animals, and animals and people when all is restored.

              God emphasizes that we are to LOVE mercy. He doesn't say "love mercy to people and embrace cruelty and neglect of animals."

              Some of us, He has hard-wired to care more than most people do. I'm glad to be one of those people.
              I am right there with you.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bonnie View Post
                No, so long as giving to the poor isn't neglected. I have always thought one of God's greatest gifts to us is our pets. Look at the joy they bring to us (at least sometimes; I'm not sure about our Pom, Abby, aka, Abby-noxioius...). They also provide services for us, like Seeing Eye Dogs, Hearing Ear Dogs, watchdogs, dogs that help people with seizures, and now there is a fairly new group of dogs--I forget what they are called, but I think it is "Comfort Dogs" that are trained to give comfort to hurting people, esp. children. Our church, the LCMS, helps to sponsor this group. They went to that town in Massachussets, where the gunman shot and killed children and teachers--I've forgotten the name of the town, though, shame on me--and also went to Boston after the Boston Marathon bomber hurt and killed and maimed people. to give comfort to the survivors. And look at the search and rescue dogs during 9/11--!

                Even cats have been known to save their owners' lives, through alerting them to fires or danger of some kind.

                So, no it isn't sinful to help out abused and starved animals. From what I have read, most of these therapy dogs and special talent dogs come from rescue groups and animal shelters.

                The bible says "a good man looks after the life of his beast." And we should.
                Dogs are so useful. Whether you're a farmer needing help with the sheep or cows or you need a watchdog or have an autistic child that tends to wander or you have a medical condition or limitations that the dog can help you to lead a fuller life.

                I don't think it makes sense to buy your dog an outfit for every occassion or a diamond collar since we're supposed to be good stewards of our money. However, we have dominion over the animals, they're our responsibility. It's not just a one sided thing where we have responsibility for them but not much to gain. The relationship can be very rich.

                The comments you heard on the radio bother me... too often Christianity seems to be a religion of don'ts and shouldn'ts. Didn't Jesus come so we could have life more abundantly? I'm not saying life should be a free for all, but he opened the door to our jail cell and it seems we keep trying to go back in and close the door. Or others are trying to shove us back in the jail cell.
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                • #9
                  The pet industry does take in a lot of money, but in the process, it provides jobs for many people.

                  It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1 NASB

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by armoredyak View Post
                    millions on an animal, is ridiculous....having a pet or animals on a farm, how this is any sort of issue worth worry, is baffling.
                    I suppose one of those kind of churches that wants to squeeze you for all you got would want to make sure you give to them and not spend anything on Fido or Socks.

                    It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1 NASB

                    "True liberty is the ability earned by practice to do the right thing." Oswald Chambers

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                    • #11
                      The children of the prince of the power of the air (earthlings) have always paid more attention and spent more money on what they wanted to instead of helping those in need, hungry, thirsty, homeless, ill, or in prison.

                      The children of YHWH have always spent more on helping others, with no self-consciousness about this - i.e. spontaneously, naturally, as children of YHWH.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by magnificat View Post
                        I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

                        When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

                        They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
                        To be kind to animals, have dominion over the animals is surely God's will. But dressed in designer outfits?, left inheritances? included in the family will? Gourmet foods kept with humans food? Sat in a child's seat in our shopping carts? Need to fly in the plane as a passenger? Hotels for dogs? Birthday Party's? Paying Job's? Pet mortuaries? Pet Marriages?
                        Beasts allowed in Church? Pet's having more rights than murdered babies? Pet Parents??
                        I could go on... but I will let God's Word speak:

                        Prov 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
                        KJV


                        Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

                        27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

                        28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
                        KJV


                        Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

                        19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

                        20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
                        KJV
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by magnificat View Post
                          I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day.
                          That's your FIRST Mistake. Why would you ever take seriously: "a Radio talk show host's opinion" of anything?? Their JOB is to fill dead air with "sound".

                          he said that there are some Christians who say
                          Second Mistake. There are always "Some Christians" who "SAY" any number of idiotic things about everything under the sun - generally judgmental about "somebody else". WHO CARES what "Some Christians say"????!!!

                          Personally I Love animals!!!! Some of 'em are delicious!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                            That's your FIRST Mistake. Why would you ever take seriously: "a Radio talk show host's opinion" of anything?? Their JOB is to fill dead air with "sound".



                            Second Mistake. There are always "Some Christians" who "SAY" any number of idiotic things about everything under the sun - generally judgmental about "somebody else". WHO CARES what "Some Christians say"????!!!

                            Personally I Love animals!!!! Some of 'em are delicious!!!
                            Too funny Bob, some animals think the same about you
                            All men see God in creation but suppress the evidence in sin. Good apologists for the Christian faith always remember that. As you prepare to defend the faith, study the truths of the faith and pray that minds will receive them. And Have Fun!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by magnificat View Post
                              I was listening to one of my favorite Christian radio talk show hosts the other day. In the program, he said that there are some Christians who say it is wrong and sinful to spend millions of dollars on animals and pets when there are people going without food and shelter. I don't agree first of all,Jesus said we will always have the poor with us,and people can give to charities to help poor people[in fact I think Christians should if they have the money too]. But I believe God wants us to care for the animals too, after all,their His little creatures.

                              When God drowned the earth,He commanded Noah put 2 of every kind of animal in the ark,so obviously the Lord does care about animals welfare. I personally think God mean't for dogs and cats to be our companion pets,and he wants us to feed them,give them proper shelter[my dog and cat are inside house pets]. and get them medical attention when they need it. And care for them and love them as well.

                              They have emotional needs as well. Anyone can look in my little dogs sweet big brown eyes and tell he gets his little heart broken easily. When we lost a family member he was close to several years ago he was very sad and wouldn't eat for days. He is always happy and full of joy and wags his little tail when we come home after work. If it wasn't for vets and spay and neuter surgery there would be many more dogs and cats than humans. So I do think it is a good thing to care for the animals. That's my opinion at least. What is everyone's else's opinion on this?
                              And Jesus is coming back on a white horse and In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all. looks like we are all going to be in heaven to me so we might as well start taking care of then right now. And not let Bob eat to many of them.

                              All men see God in creation but suppress the evidence in sin. Good apologists for the Christian faith always remember that. As you prepare to defend the faith, study the truths of the faith and pray that minds will receive them. And Have Fun!

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