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    Ok. Everybody knows, or should know what I am talking about.

    Last I heard, 11 of 12 balls were deflated (abt. #2 below required). Somebody from the Colts side noticed, and asked the refs to check it out. I am not sure when (I believe the 2nd half) the problem was taken care of, and in the 2nd half there was apparently no ball problem. And, as of now, there is absolutely no evidence...as in nothing...that indicates that Bill Belichick, or any of the players knew it, sanctioned it or had anything at all to do with it. I also understand that someone from the Ravens tipped off the Colts about deflated balls, which, if true would seem to indicate that this was not just a one-off, but rather an orchestrated effort. Anybody got any updated info?

    Regardless, I just don't see the Pats getting bounced. I can see, worst case scenario, maybe a couple of suspentions and some hefty fines...maybe a draft pick or two, but thats it. So unless there is some credible evidence (credible evidence meaning not some reporters or radio shock jock's opinion of what should happen) that the league is considering this actually banning them, please don't go down that road.

    And be honest...yes, even you Colts fans. The reality is that the Patriots owned the Colts...on both sides of the ball, from the opening kick-off to the final whistle. They ate the Colt's lunch, and came back for supper. The Patriots were so far over the Colts, that it would not have mattered. Sorry, Colts fans, but the reality is that the Pats are simply the best team to send to the Superbowl. Deflated balls or not. Maybe, if the game was close (and not just in score) a case could be made. That is simply not the case. I have already said that if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, they will win. I still believe that. In fact, in a weird way, this plays into the Pats hands. Last I heard, they were 1 point favorites...but this means that they will have to, again, 'prove' themselves.

    I do not dislike either team...both are exciting to watch. But I am a huge Tom Brady fan, and would like to see him get his 4th ring. Just wanted to make sure people know that. But still...there is the whole cheating thing. Again. If it turns out that the coaches and/or (especially) the players (specifically Brady) knew about the balls and they go on to win I will always have to put an * by this win. And it will seriously blow my confidence in Brady.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by dale1257 View Post
    Ok. Everybody knows, or should know what I am talking about.

    Last I heard, 11 of 12 balls were deflated (abt. #2 below required). Somebody from the Colts side noticed, and asked the refs to check it out. I am not sure when (I believe the 2nd half) the problem was taken care of, and in the 2nd half there was apparently no ball problem. And, as of now, there is absolutely no evidence...as in nothing...that indicates that Bill Belichick, or any of the players knew it, sanctioned it or had anything at all to do with it. I also understand that someone from the Ravens tipped off the Colts about deflated balls, which, if true would seem to indicate that this was not just a one-off, but rather an orchestrated effort. Anybody got any updated info?

    Regardless, I just don't see the Pats getting bounced. I can see, worst case scenario, maybe a couple of suspentions and some hefty fines...maybe a draft pick or two, but thats it. So unless there is some credible evidence (credible evidence meaning not some reporters or radio shock jock's opinion of what should happen) that the league is considering this actually banning them, please don't go down that road.

    And be honest...yes, even you Colts fans. The reality is that the Patriots owned the Colts...on both sides of the ball, from the opening kick-off to the final whistle. They ate the Colt's lunch, and came back for supper. The Patriots were so far over the Colts, that it would not have mattered. Sorry, Colts fans, but the reality is that the Pats are simply the best team to send to the Superbowl. Deflated balls or not. Maybe, if the game was close (and not just in score) a case could be made. That is simply not the case. I have already said that if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, they will win. I still believe that. In fact, in a weird way, this plays into the Pats hands. Last I heard, they were 1 point favorites...but this means that they will have to, again, 'prove' themselves.

    I do not dislike either team...both are exciting to watch. But I am a huge Tom Brady fan, and would like to see him get his 4th ring. Just wanted to make sure people know that. But still...there is the whole cheating thing. Again. If it turns out that the coaches and/or (especially) the players (specifically Brady) knew about the balls and they go on to win I will always have to put an * by this win. And it will seriously blow my confidence in Brady.
    will someone correct me if I'm wrong but don't both teams play with the same balls, how would this then in fact be an advantage or disadvantage to one team over another, this makes no sense to me what so ever

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    • #3
      Originally posted by back2thebible View Post
      will someone correct me if I'm wrong but don't both teams play with the same balls, how would this then in fact be an advantage or disadvantage to one team over another, this makes no sense to me what so ever

      I was thinking the same thing and don't the league itself supply the balls, so how could either team gain access to the balls?
      I bet that whoever supplied the balls had a malfunctioned air pump or it was set improperly.

      What I cant figure out is how it took a player to inform the refs, those guys are supposed to check each ball as it is brought into play, every play.
      If you watch, the one side ref, throws a new ball to the line ref and he places it at the spot.
      So if they went unnoticed, then they couldn't have been that deflated.
      I doubt under-inflating or even over-inflating them will help and may actually hurt because the players are used to catching, throwing and handling said ball and anything different cant possibly be a good idea.
      God said "Let there be light"... and scientists took it one step further and made "light bright toys" but they didn't give us enough purple pegs.. we get 87 green, 90 blue, 50 yellow and a whole 12 purples, seriously?


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      • #4
        Originally posted by back2thebible View Post
        will someone correct me if I'm wrong but don't both teams play with the same balls, how would this then in fact be an advantage or disadvantage to one team over another, this makes no sense to me what so ever
        It's an advantage or disadvantage in the same way that the floor at the old Boston Gardens helped the Celtics. If one team is accustomed to the defect and the other is not that is an advantage.
        Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WhyMeLord View Post
          I was thinking the same thing and don't the league itself supply the balls, so how could either team gain access to the balls?
          I bet that whoever supplied the balls had a malfunctioned air pump or it was set improperly.

          What I cant figure out is how it took a player to inform the refs, those guys are supposed to check each ball as it is brought into play, every play.
          If you watch, the one side ref, throws a new ball to the line ref and he places it at the spot.
          So if they went unnoticed, then they couldn't have been that deflated.
          I doubt under-inflating or even over-inflating them will help and may actually hurt because the players are used to catching, throwing and handling said ball and anything different cant possibly be a good idea.

          Apparently from what I have seen Tom Brady and Peyton Manning petitioned the NFL to make the change where teams supplied the balls.
          "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
          Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

          Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dale1257 View Post
            Ok. Everybody knows, or should know what I am talking about.

            Last I heard, 11 of 12 balls were deflated (abt. #2 below required). Somebody from the Colts side noticed, and asked the refs to check it out. I am not sure when (I believe the 2nd half) the problem was taken care of, and in the 2nd half there was apparently no ball problem. And, as of now, there is absolutely no evidence...as in nothing...that indicates that Bill Belichick, or any of the players knew it, sanctioned it or had anything at all to do with it. I also understand that someone from the Ravens tipped off the Colts about deflated balls, which, if true would seem to indicate that this was not just a one-off, but rather an orchestrated effort. Anybody got any updated info?

            Regardless, I just don't see the Pats getting bounced. I can see, worst case scenario, maybe a couple of suspentions and some hefty fines...maybe a draft pick or two, but thats it. So unless there is some credible evidence (credible evidence meaning not some reporters or radio shock jock's opinion of what should happen) that the league is considering this actually banning them, please don't go down that road.

            And be honest...yes, even you Colts fans. The reality is that the Patriots owned the Colts...on both sides of the ball, from the opening kick-off to the final whistle. They ate the Colt's lunch, and came back for supper. The Patriots were so far over the Colts, that it would not have mattered. Sorry, Colts fans, but the reality is that the Pats are simply the best team to send to the Superbowl. Deflated balls or not. Maybe, if the game was close (and not just in score) a case could be made. That is simply not the case. I have already said that if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, they will win. I still believe that. In fact, in a weird way, this plays into the Pats hands. Last I heard, they were 1 point favorites...but this means that they will have to, again, 'prove' themselves.

            I do not dislike either team...both are exciting to watch. But I am a huge Tom Brady fan, and would like to see him get his 4th ring. Just wanted to make sure people know that. But still...there is the whole cheating thing. Again. If it turns out that the coaches and/or (especially) the players (specifically Brady) knew about the balls and they go on to win I will always have to put an * by this win. And it will seriously blow my confidence in Brady.
            Its all much ado about nothing. The problem was corrected at the end of the first half of the AFC championship game. In the second half of the game the pats played with properly inflated balls and they outscored the colts 28-0. This is something the pats shouldn't have done but its all meaningless.
            "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
            Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

            Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ignatius View Post
              Apparently from what I have seen Tom Brady and Peyton Manning petitioned the NFL to make the change where teams supplied the balls.
              Does Brady have a hand injury or has he had a hand injury? Otherwise, it seems like an odd request.
              Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

              Peace,
              BJ -Bear
              VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
              WELS

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BJ BEAR View Post
                Does Brady have a hand injury or has he had a hand injury? Otherwise, it seems like an odd request.
                Not that I am aware of. Well if its true that a slightly less inflated ball is easier to throw and catch then maybe you can see why they made such a request. Also if its true that they went to the NFL its scary how much power they have to change the rules.
                "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
                Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

                Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ignatius View Post
                  Not that I am aware of. Well if its true that a slightly less inflated ball is easier to throw and catch then maybe you can see why they made such a request. Also if its true that they went to the NFL its scary how much power they have to change the rules.
                  Yep. I never had the opportunity to play football in the extreme cold of the northeast but I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a fully inflated football thrown by Elway, Favre, or Rodgers. Ouch!
                  Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                  Peace,
                  BJ -Bear
                  VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
                  WELS

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                  • #10
                    Wow 4 months later! We find out they knew about it all along!

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                    • #11
                      how would this then in fact be an advantage or disadvantage to one team over another, this makes no sense to me what so ever

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fanbrits View Post
                        how would this then in fact be an advantage or disadvantage to one team over another, this makes no sense to me what so ever
                        It would depend upon the physical characteristics of the opposing quarterbacks. For example, a large handed quarterback may prefer a fully inflated or overinflated ball but an average or small handed quarterback may find that disadvantageous, especially in inclement weather.
                        Test all things and praise God from whom all blessings flow!

                        Peace,
                        BJ -Bear
                        VDMA (1 Peter 1:25)
                        WELS

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