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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jude1:3 View Post
    ...Football has WAYYY More serious injuries than MMA.
    Of course, but what is the goal of the sport - one is to beat the other into a bloody pulp, the other is to score more touchdowns than the other!

    UFA is total Roman gladiator barbarism - i can't see how a born-again Christian would support or be edified by watching such crap!
    Last edited by Athanasian_Creed; 02-09-15, 03:45 PM.
    "For me, kind Jesus, was Thy incarnation / Thine mortal sorrow and Thy life's oblation / Thy death of anguish and Thy bitter passion / For my salvation."
    - Sufjan Stevens 'Ah Holy Jesus'

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Athanasian_Creed View Post
      Of course, but what is the goal of the sport - one is to beat the other into a bloody pulp, the other is to score more touchdowns than the other!

      UFA is total Roman gladiator barbarism - i can't see how a born-again Christian would support or be edified by watching such crap!


      It's really a combination of many combat sports like Wrestling, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and Judo.

      It also has rules and is a sport. The Athletes are Trained and Willing participants in a Combat Sport.

      It is quite edifying to see someone who has trained hours and hours and dedicated themselves to learning combat skills and prepare for a fight achieve victory and become a Champion. I saw an interview where one of the fighters said that they see it kind of like the Olympics.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jude1:3 View Post
        I'm a big fan of Matt Hughes and Fedor Emelianenko.

        What about you guys ?
        I did back in the days of Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney.... UFC #1, 2, 3 but after the first few it got too boring so I quit watching.
        Last edited by WillysWoodPile; 02-10-15, 01:05 AM.

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        • #19
          Wow! Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought there would be an mma post on carm! LOL I love mma its my fav sport. Anyone else agree?

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          • #20
            Even I am there fan.

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            • #21
              I am more of a boxing fan. So the guys in UFC that I do like are the guys who well, box, like Mark Hunt

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              • #22
                No not really. But they do play it rough however!
                Blessed Is He Who Comes In the Name of the Lord!

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                • #23
                  All Biblical references are to the KJV unless otherwise noted.

                  Atheists

                  I wonder at the inconsistency of the antipathy of Atheists who use the violence in the Old Testament as an argument against the Bible. Given the violent history and nature of the physical universe that's the only reality they acknowledge. Regarding which violence, the MMA is only one aspect. But an aspect that reveals the natural violent tendencies of humanity that is the source of such as rape, murder, and war.

                  Being biased against the Bible and its God, Atheists can't realize that most of the violence in the Bible is stated as having its source in humanity. Indeed, from the presumed perspective of the Atheist, there is no God upon which to blame the violence of the Bible. Nevertheless, that doesn't stop them from blaming their non-existent God, which they fondly refer to as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

                  Atheists can't see that the God of the Bible (whether or not actually real) is peaceful (the word appearing over 300 times therein). Only when there is no other recourse does this God intervene using violence (usually with humans as an instrument). An idea embedded in the "American Way" in word, if not always in deed.

                  The MMA

                  The MMA is obviously not an instrument of peace, in spite of the claims of some. Made blatantly clear by the actions of the MMA and the remarks of its advocates. And the ugly truth is that violence always begets violence.

                  1 - MMA is short for Mixed Martial Art. The "Mixed" is defined by the MMA as referring to an amalgamation of ideas culled from various sports in addition to various martial arts.

                  2 - The meaning of the word "martial" (according to Cambridge, Mirriam-Webster & Oxford dictionaries) reveals the essence of a martial art. The word "martial" as defined brings up words like "armed forces", "military", and "warrior". The word itself is derived from Mars the God of War. A martial art by definition is most apt for use in the Military. There is no evidence that the MMA is associated in any way with the Military. The cage match being the ultimate expression of the MMA.

                  3 - Some advocates of the MMA emphasize self-defense. Even though it's obvious that offense is emphasized in equal (if not greater) proportions.

                  4 - The MMA is currently referred to as a sport with rules. Whatever the extent of these rules might be, apparently they're meaningless in any practical sense. I watched one man win by kicking his opponent in the groin. Which is supposedly against the "rules". The only disqualification I've seen so far... Wait. Haven't seen any. But then to be fair...haven't watched many. One would think there would be at least a disqualification applied to the one at whose hand an opponent dies.

                  5 - That the MMA has little if anything to do with the martial arts is demonstrated by its ultimate expression -- the UFC/MMA cage match. Wherein hitting and kicking is the primary form of battle. Rather it's more akin to street fighting. An actual street fight being superior. For not only can it always draw a crowd, but also it's freeeeee!

                  The Great Concern

                  This post isn't written to oppose consenting adults, men or women, who wish to beat the crap out of one another for whatever reason, if that's their choice. So long as they hurt no one but themselves. It should be clear enough to "Christians" that there's something wrong with any picture that promotes violence of the extent of the MMA. Even when claimed to be for personal fitness or "self-defense". Seeing as there are peaceful ways to accomplish both. For those who like to fight -- join the Army or Police wherein opportunities to use their tendencies to protect nation and citizen are endless.

                  The concern regarding the MMA is that it doesn't limit itself to consenting adults. Children are also involved. Their parents consenting for them. A clear indication of the kind of parents they are. Not to mention a clue as to the true nature of the MMA.

                  This should be more important to "Christians" than abortion. Abortion affects the unborn, who are in the hands of God. Particularly in America wherein abortion is legal. The children in the MMA are born and living, and as such are in the hands of humanity. Under the protection and responsibility of their parents or as a last resort local Law Enforcement.

                  Or are they? A crucial question to consider in America wherein the MMA became legal in every state as of 2016.

                  Another convenient fact must be considered are the papers that must be signed relieving the MMA of all responsibility for injury. A factual record of numbers of which I've yet to see. If neither Parent nor the MMA is responsible, then who is? The children? Under what Law are the children protected from legalized violence? Certainly the legality of the MMA ties the hands of Law Enforcement, be it city, state, or federal. As in the case of abortion.

                  There are over three million MMA kids in America alone according to the only estimate I've seen. Aged 4 and up (haven't a clue how many instructors and places exist). Children involved in cage fights. Including the dangerous practice of the choke hold. Including boys against girls. Now, that's got to be good for the self-esteem of boys when they lose. A non-issue to the MMA, who obviously regard boys and girls as the same psychologically and physically. A philosophy of gender neutrality that even contemporary psychologists and physicians tend to take issue with. As do I. On purely natural grounds. As also with abortion and homosexuality. The Bible is useless for use as a ground of argument against those who neither believe it nor follow it -- or interpret it.

                  There for anyone to see

                  Want to watch the MMA in action? Cage fights and "training" fights in training places (under the guise of fitness centers) are available to watch on YouTube without restriction (though YouTube restricts other things they claim to be inappropriate). Including children. Which says a lot about those who run YouTube. That's where I found out what it's about. I'd seen cage fights before. But had no clue regarding the UFC/MMA conglomerate behind it. Nor that its legal. Nor that children are involved.

                  These people are dedicated. Seeing as the cost of training sessions are $100+ a month. Not to mention the price of a ticket to a cage fight. The ones behind the MMA have found a great source of revenue, and a currently legal outlet for their "dedications".

                  In any human community not influenced to the contrary, the lowest common denominator will eventually prevail.

                  To Whom it may concern

                  Only by the well worn Christian practice of interpretation can a Christian think that advocating the MMA is what Jesus meant (or at least condoned) when he said, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12) -- and -- "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matt 5:14-16) -- and -- "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid" (John 14:27). But then Christians prove over and over how any idea can be "proven" Biblically right and true to the interpreter's satisfaction using the well worn Christian practice of interpretation.

                  Perhaps the Christian MMA advocate in imitation of militant Atheists will emphasize the violence of the Old Testament as an argument for the MMA. And argue just as vehemently for the MMA as a militant Atheist will argue against the Bible. But what about, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matt 10:34)? Revealing not only ignorance, but also that the Spirit being followed is not the Spirit of the Bible (cf, Matt 5:9; Luke 2:8-14). A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

                  "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matt 7:12). Christian advocacy of the MMA certainly gives that an interesting interpretation that pretty much nullifies its intent.

                  Do you remember the moment you got hooked on MMA? An apt question for the advocate of the MMA. Like being "hooked" on any other of the baser human addictions such as the lottery or pornography or drugs. Is this how a professed theist wants to be known? As a living example that there is no God according to that to which they conform (cf, Rom 8:1-17, 12:1-2)?

                  There is plenty of historic precedent for anyone to argue that an MMA approving God is indeed the God of Christianity. Does the saying "that was then, this is now" apply? So far this thread testifies it does not.

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                  • #24
                    Christians account for 62% of the population of the U.S.A. Nevertheless, the MMA will continue to prosper. Thanks to some Christians who are supportive and the rest who are pathetically apathetic. These are the same Christians who argue the Trinity and argue the Protestant - Catholic controversy claiming to defend the faith, and support or turn a blind eye to the MMA that's far more dangerous for the faith. If you live long enough, you'll have regrets.

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                    • #25
                      I like MMA when it's practiced by solemn people. UFC seems too dramatic and over-the-top. The trash talk is embarrassing.

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