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  • #16
    =Spinoza's Ghost;4955980]Fundancer, you are not facing up to the facts. An obvious conclusion, based on all the evidence, is not a "guess" - unless you count night follows day as a "guess". You called it a guess. I am not misrepresenting you. I quoted you verbatim. Let's dispense with silly and fruitless word games and pointless, empty accusations, shall we? Can't we behave like grown-ups?

    You are the one telling me what I said; not the other way around. I accept what you have said on the topic. I disagree. I have told you why I disagree.


    200,000 ERVs in corresponding locations in both species is extremely powerful evidence for common ancestry. Saying "So, what?" does not address that evidence. You have admitted that you have no alternative explanation to that provided by endogenization. In science, we go with the simplest explanation that accounts for all the evidence and is contradicted by none. Therefore, you have already conceded the scientific case. What remains are your groundless feelings of distaste. As I said before, these are insignificant and irrelevant.

    ERVs cannot be designed to be in common locations. They are inserted by integrase, which does not target specific DNA loci. We've been over this before. Please try to keep up. Remember, if there is anything you don't understand, or wish to question, that's fine. That's the point of the thread. But please don't grandstand. Get to know the evidence and the reasoning. That's the only way to make progress.

    If you doubt that retroviruses can enter the germline by integrating with the DNA of germline cells, write to the authors of this paper, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077286/ and ask them any questions you like. I'm sure they will be more than willing to help you.

    A conclusion is not an assumption. You are welcome to point out where unwarranted assumptions are being made, but unless you can, you are merely making unsubstantiated slurs, which is hardly honest of you.

    Regarding a common designer, why would a common designer use different syncytins in different placental lineages? Common design, common designer, different design, whimsical designer is hardly a convincing argument, is it? Is there any phenomena that cannot be "explained" by saying an all-powerful entity could have done anything at all for reasons we cannot comprehend? As they say, keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.

    I don't accept your position that you have provided evidence for common design. There is no whimsical designer. I think common designer is a good argument. You don't. Fine! We disagree.

    Therefore, you have told me what to think and how to think. See bolded statements made by you. I suggest YOU keep to the topic and stop making ME the topic. Edit your post of all the personal garbage directed at me and we might end pleasantly, but in disagreement.

    Yes, the Almighty Creator created all things. That he has given man a brain and opportunity to understand how He created is a wonderful privilege and should not be tramped on my ego driven man. I am off to work. Clean up your comments about me or I will NOT be continuing this discussion. Got it?
    Last edited by Fundancer; 11-12-13, 02:17 PM.
    "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
    behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
    the Root of David,
    hath prevailed to open the book,
    and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:5

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fundancer View Post
      You are the one telling me what I said; not the other way around. I accept what you have said on the topic. I disagree. I have told you why I disagree.





      I don't accept your position that you have provided evidence for common design. There is no whimsical designer. I think common designer is a good argument. You don't. Fine! We disagree.

      Therefore, you have told me what to think and how to think. See bolded statements made by you. I suggest YOU keep to the topic and stop making ME the topic. Edit your post of all the personal garbage directed at me and we might end pleasantly, but in disagreement.

      Yes, the Almighty Creator created all things. That he has given man a brain and opportunity to understand how He created is a wonderful privilege and should not be tramped on my ego driven man. I am off to work. Clean up your comments about me or I will NOT be continuing this discussion. Got it?
      What I have got is that you cannot address a single point that I have made.

      Do you want to have another go, or do you want to concede the debate?
      "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage.

      "Reality rules. Honor the truth." - John A. "Chemist" Steele.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Spinoza's Ghost View Post
        What I have got is that you cannot address a single point that I have made.

        Do you want to have another go, or do you want to concede the debate?
        There is no conceding anything. Nor was I debating with you. You asked me to look at your latest proof and comment. I did. It appears to me that you think this information is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
        "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
        behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
        the Root of David,
        hath prevailed to open the book,
        and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:5

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        • #19
          This is private debate forum, only two posters to debate, all others deleted or posts moved to junk.
          God Bless,
          Diane S

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Fundancer View Post
            There is no conceding anything. Nor was I debating with you. You asked me to look at your latest proof and comment. I did. It appears to me that you think this information is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
            You have no counter to endogenization in common ancestors as the explanation of shared ERVs, and you have no hope of providing an alternative explanation for the data. Therefore, the only reasonable response is to concede - or admit that your objections are unreasonable but that you object all the same. Your call. Which is it to be?
            "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage.

            "Reality rules. Honor the truth." - John A. "Chemist" Steele.

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