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For e v e & John t-- A discussion

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  • #61
    Or walls of logic...anything where there are big walls of things...which aren't just a person themselves talking.

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    • #62
      When I said I speculated, I have to speculate as to when the shift to heliocentrism happened. Perhaps at the time of Noah. I'm just not sure when, if it was at the fall exactly or a little bit after.

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      • #63
        I'm just very much existential...not in relation to this world, but in relation to experience, senses, feeling and what a soul herself through the spiritual man knows and discovers in her relationship with Him. But it was always a plan of philosophy to separate sensation and body and feeling from things that have veracity. Such as 'reason.' True, this type of fallen body and its senses and the material version of 'physical' and 'bodies' is unreliable...But, in Eden, we did not have these and they were not unreliable at all, our glorified bodies. And Eden itself was not unreliable, and neither was the true nature there. So, because so many believe this is God's world and he made it, then it sort of clinches the deal and makes the senses and body bad. And they are, but not if we consider our spiritual man and our glorified beings [what we are promised in Heaven]. And already, now, when we have that promise, and when we are "In" our spiritual man, we are connected to His Mind and so we are not subject to this world and the rules about senses, temporality, unreliability of feelings etc. Because then we are in God's CONTEXT, and His mind and not Satan's context and mind. Because there are two realms. Egypt and His and that is quite clear, studying types and shadows in scripture. And when Christ says, be in this world but not of this world. But no one wants to hear that since the ECFs declared that God made this world and it was good. What a pathetically ugly LIE.

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        • #64
          You can see more clearly from the above why I just won't fit into any congregation and have no desire to. Because the above mistake the ECFs made causes UNTOLD problems in all sorts of interpretations. And its a big mistake. Huge.

          I've seen people hear argue that it was because we stopped eating of the tree of life that we were different than in Eden. Nope. But I just don't care to argue so I did not push it. The fact is, everything was affected by the fall, not just Adam and Eve. And, I think that the tree of life is seriously misunderstood...and therefore, rather than pages of posting with a sure guarantee of being scoffed at, I just didn't even bother to post.

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          • #65
            I just unsubscribed and quit the Holy Spirit & interpretation thread. I will not take part in the glorification of stupidity, and the abject refusal to look at facts.
            AARRGGHH!!!
            MY FOUR APOLOGETIC AXIOMS

            1. Any verse ripped from its context is a pretext 100% of the time

            2. We attack lies so others will see the truth; that is proof of our love for all cultists, not our hatred .

            3. Inconsistency is a tiny hobgoblin haunting every cult

            4. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire







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            • #66
              Originally posted by john t View Post
              I just unsubscribed and quit the Holy Spirit & interpretation thread. I will not take part in the glorification of stupidity, and the abject refusal to look at facts.
              AARRGGHH!!!
              Oops. I don't tend to like thinking of God in relation to facts.

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              • #67
                I type some more later. Insomnia.

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                • #68
                  you may appreciate what I typed on that ancient alien thread just ago. It kind of ties in with how i feel about facts and causality and
                  logic etc. Because the spiritual man doesn't
                  ponder that way....and I get tired on carm...all around....that everything is
                  reduced to mechanical types of proving and disproving.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by e v e View Post
                    you may appreciate what I typed on that ancient alien thread just ago. It kind of ties in with how i feel about facts and causality and
                    logic etc. Because the spiritual man doesn't
                    ponder that way....and I get tired on carm...all around....that everything is
                    reduced to mechanical types of proving and disproving.
                    Could you include the URL?
                    MY FOUR APOLOGETIC AXIOMS

                    1. Any verse ripped from its context is a pretext 100% of the time

                    2. We attack lies so others will see the truth; that is proof of our love for all cultists, not our hatred .

                    3. Inconsistency is a tiny hobgoblin haunting every cult

                    4. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire







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