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7 Misconceptions: Speaking in Tongues and Spirit Baptism

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  • 7 Misconceptions: Speaking in Tongues and Spirit Baptism

    Can you identify the error in each of these 7 misconceptions about NT teaching about speaking in tongues?

    (1) Modern speaking in tongues is gibberish and never a human language.
    (2) The NT teaches that speaking in tongues always expresses human languages, as on the Day of Pentecost.
    (3) Speaking in tongues is always condemned by Paul in the absence of an interpreter.
    (4) Paul ranks speaking in tongues as the least valuable spiritual gift.
    (5) Speaking in tongues serves no essential purpose for petitionary prayer.
    (6) In any case, God does not intend
    very Christian to be able to speak in tongues.
    (7) The Book of Acts teaches that speaking tongues is a spiritual gift that can be received only after the Spirit's redemptive regenerative work.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Berserk View Post
    Can you identify the error in each of these 7 misconceptions about NT teaching about speaking in tongues?
    (1) Modern speaking in tongues is gibberish and never a human language.

    [Error 1, never say never. Error 2 the question presupposes that modern-day noise NORMALLY IS Biblical tongues, which they cannot establish at all]
    (2) The NT teaches that speaking in tongues always expresses human languages, as on the Day of Pentecost.

    [ The nt doesn't say. It just gives ONE EXAMPLE, and that Example (in Acts 2) has real human languages spoken.
    (3) Speaking in tongues is always condemned by Paul in the absence of an interpreter.

    [ Biblically, that is SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONGREGATIONAL SETTING, does not limit elsewhere. None was said to be present at Pentecost]
    (4) Paul ranks speaking in tongues as the least valuable spiritual gift.

    [Only as ONE of the 'less' valuable ones.
    (5) Speaking in tongues serves no essential purpose for petitionary prayer.

    [ Essential? Not required. As 'ESSENTIAL?' NOT REQUIRED AT ALL. IF I don't know how to pray, the HOLY SPIRIT intercedes in my prayers, no flappy lips or 'tongues' required at all. . .]
    (6) In any case, God does not intend
    very Christian to be able to speak in tongues.

    [NEVER IN THE BIBLE does ANY PASSAGE say that every Christian will speak in tongues. About 3,000 examples are given in Acts 2. NOT ONE of those 3,000 is EVER SAID TO HAVE SPOKEN IN TONGUES. . .YET THE PROMISE FROM GOD WAS MADE TO THEM IN Acts 2:39.
    (7) The Book of Acts teaches that speaking tongues is a spiritual gift that can be received only after the Spirit's redemptive regenerative work.
    NOT ONE Spiritual gift (tongues IS ONE OF THOSE) is EVER given to NON-believers in the Bible. The Holy Spirit does NOT dwell in 'dirty temples. . .'

    AND ALL of your claims are based on the false supposition that the noises produced by 'pentecostals,' voodoo witch doctors, and many scizophrenics 'must be' 'Biblical tongues.' There is no BIBLICAL reason to believe they are the same stuff.
    God's Word (Scripture) will convince me. YOUR argument is your own.

    I want to be so full of Jesus that if a mosquito bites me, he will fly away singing 'there's power in the blood. . .' (author unknown)

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    • #3
      Morefish: "NOT ONE Spiritual gift (tongues IS ONE OF THOSE) is EVER given to NON-believers in the Bible."
      Wrong! Cornelius is a pagan Roman, who qualifiers as a "godfearer," a category of Gentile devotees to Judaism, and he even tries to worship Peter!

      Morefish: "AND ALL of your claims are based on the false supposition that the noises produced by 'pentecostals,' voodoo witch doctors, and many scizophrenics 'must be' 'Biblical tongues.' There is no BIBLICAL reason to believe they are the same stuff."

      You wrongly assume that the glossolalia on the Day of Pentecost is normative for the other NT manifestations of glossolalia. The mere fact that the eruption of glossolalia in Cornelius' household reminds Peter of that in Acts 2 does not mean that the tongues were comprehensible human languages in both cases. Indeed, this assumption can be summarily dispatched on 4 grounds:
      (1) The glossolalia in Acts 2 are human languages (Greek: "dialektos") understood by the audience. No other NT glossolalia is described as a "dialektos."
      (2) The term "glossai" (tongues) is used for the other NT manifestations of glossolalia. But tongues in the sense of ecstatic speech does not normally designate human languages. It means
      "an expression which in speech or manner is strange and obscure and needs explanation,...a more secret language which the Greeks call "glossai." Here I am quoting famed NT scholar, Joachim Jeremias, who amply documents Greek usage of this term in his article in the magisterial muli-volume Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Kittel.
      (3) The glossolalia in Acts 2 is labelled "prophecy" because it is understood by the outside audience. The subsequent glossolalia in Acts is not interpreted and therefore seems like gibberish to those who utter it. In contrast to the Pentecost glossolalia, it is sharply distinguished from "prophecy" (so Acts 19:6).
      (4) In 1 Corinthians Paul distinguishes "tongues" as angelic language from human languages. Academic commentaries recognize 2 types of glossolalia here, human and angelic. There is no reason to take the phrase "tongues of men and of angels" as hyperbolic speech. Thus, Paul proceeds to describe the Corinthians as "zealots of spirits" (Greek: "pneumata"), by which he means "zealots for angels." Indeed, as Hebrews 1:14 teaches: "Are not all angels ministering spirits?" From a human perspective angelic tongues, then and now, would seem like gibberish. There is Jewish precedent for a human grasp of angelic languages. First century rabbi Yohanan ben Zakkai is famous for his alleged ability to understand angel language and the Testament of Job describes Jews speaking in angelic language.
      Last edited by Berserk; 05-14-18, 02:40 AM.

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      • #4
        [Morefish: "NOT ONE Spiritual gift (tongues IS ONE OF THOSE) is EVER given to NON-believers in the Bible."
        Wrong! Cornelius is a pagan Roman, who qualifiers as a "godfearer," a category of Gentile devotees to Judaism, and he even tries to worship Peter!

        Morefish: "AND ALL of your claims are based on the false supposition that the noises produced by 'pentecostals,' voodoo witch doctors, and many scizophrenics 'must be' 'Biblical tongues.' There is no BIBLICAL reason to believe they are the same stuff."

        You wrongly assume that the glossolalia on the Day of Pentecost is normative for the other NT manifestations of glossolalia. This assumption can be summarily dispatched on 4 grounds:
        (1) The glossolalia in Acts 2 are human languages (Greek: "dialektos") understood by the audience. No other NT glossolalia is described as a "dialektos."
        (2) The term "glossai" (tongues) is used for the other NT manifestations of glossolalia. But "tongues in the sense of ecstatic speech does not normally designate human languages. It means
        "an expression which in speech or manner is strange and obscure and needs explanation,...a more secret language which the Greeks call "glossai."" Here I am quoting famed NT scholar, Joachim Jeremias, who amply documents Greek usage of this term in his article in the magisterial muli-volume Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Kittel.
        (3) The glossolalia in Acts 2 is labelled "prophecy" because it is understood by the outside audience. The subsequent glossolalia in Acts is not interpreted and therefore seems like gibberish to those who utter it. In contrast to the Pentecost glossolalia, it is sharply distinguished from "prophecy" (so Acts 19:6).
        (4) In 1 Corinthians Paul distinguishes "tongues" as angelic language from human languages (13:1). Academic commentaries recognize 2 types of glossolalia here, human and angelic. There is no reason to take the phrase "tongues of men and of angels" as hyperbolic speech. Thus, Paul proceeds to describe the Corinthians as "zealots of spirits" (14:12--Greek: "pneumata"), by which he means "zealots for angels." Indeed, as Hebrews 1:14 teaches: "Are not all angels ministering spirits?" From a human perspective angelic tongues, then and now, would seem like gibberish. There is Jewish precedent for a human grasp of angelic languages. First century rabbi Yohanan ben Zakkai is famous for his alleged ability to understand angel language and the Testament of Job describes Jews speaking in angelic language.

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        • #5

          (1) Modern speaking in tongues can at times express modern languages. (a) In his book "Jesus in Beijing," NYT reporter David Aikman reports a message in tongues in Hebrew in a Pentecostal church in Amonte, CA. The preacher's wife who gave the message didn't know Hebrew, but the message was understood by a visiting American Jew. It called Dennis Balcombe to be a missionary to China. Thousands were converted through his secret mission work there. (b) I traveled with Loren Cunningham, founder of Youth with a Mission. He was given a message in tongues in the language of a remote Amazon tribe his team was visiting. The result was a great witness and healing of a woman with a severe cataract problem. (c) A family in Saskatchewan received a message in tongues in Swahili, the language of the remote tribe where their daughter had been very sick, but could not be contacted. An African present in the meeting confirmed that the message in tongues was in Swahili. It confirmed that the daughter was OK and would return home soon. Such examples could be multiplied.

          (2) In 1 Corinthians Paul acknowledges that in actual fact not everyone speaks in tongues or prophesies (12:29-30). But he encourages us to seek the best gifts (12:31: 14:1), which include prophecy and tongues, because these gifts are for everyone. Prophecy is the best gift, but finds its equal in interpreted tongues (14:5). Thus, Paul tells us "we can all prophesy one by one (14:31)" and tells us he wants us all to prophesy and speak in tongues (14:5). Paul even thanks God that he speaks in tongues more than anyone (14:18). Private prayer in uninterpreted tongues is encouraged because it "builds up" or edifies the speaker (14:4, 28--so Hans Conzelmann in his respected Commentary on 1 Corinthians, p. 245(3)). This fact is not undermined by Paul's preference for prophesying and interpreted tongues in corporate worship.

          The tongues spoken in Cornelius's household (Acts 10:44-47) and at Ephesus (19:1-6) are not interpreted and, so far as we know, are indistinguishable from modern uninterpreted prayer in tongues. Those who arbitrarily reject modern glossolalia are in danger of commiting the sin against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:32). The Teaching of the 12 Apostles (the Didache) is written in the NT era and it identifies the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit as a failure to acknowledge the validity of a divinely sanctioned prophet (11:7).

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