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  • Originally posted by noble View Post

    What would be the problem if Jesus is all done with the building of me.... maybe He got fed up trying to smarten me up!!!!!!!!!!!

    I should tell you that I had an NDE and everything seemed to be just fine. I feel quite confident that I will get the thumbs up at 2 COR 5:10. If not I'm off doing the back-stroke in the sulfur lake!... just like everybody else, up or down, He'll decide!

    noble
    Okay, then,...I will build you as God's church since Jesus ceased....LOL

    C'mon bro, you and I both know that the Holy Ghost is BUSY in our lives, and the Holy Ghost founded our walk with God, and the only reason we are even interested in the Bible is the WORK of God in our lives.

    So, let go of your presuppositions as I have had to and let Jesus continue to build, because He never rests and is the master builder.

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    • Originally posted by Truther View Post

      Tom, your explanation in red was very unclear and still is.

      Now, was Mary the biological mother of Jesus, whose egg mated with a created sperm cell made by God or not?



      Or, did God skip the egg/sperm process in the womb and implant an embryo?(which makes Jesus NOT the biological son of man)
      Tom replies

      Those are the words of scripture

      If they are not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you

      I will not go beyond what the scriptures state

      I believe Mary was his mother as scripture states

      Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

      The fact is however The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created

      Do you believe that ?

      and BTW you have not answered my question

      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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      • Originally posted by TomL View Post

        Tom replies

        Those are the words of scripture

        If they are not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you

        I will not go beyond what the scriptures state
        I believe Mary was his mother as scripture states
        Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
        The fact is however The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
        Do you believe that ?

        and BTW you have not answered my question


        Do you think Jesus was implanted as a "God/man"?

        I bet you do.

        This is why you refuse to answer my very simple question.


        Fact is, there are 2 explanations one must process.


        #1.....Jesus was an implant and not the biological son of Mary(son of man).

        #2.....Jesus was formed by the Father as a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg and was qualified to be both the son of God AND the son of man.


        #2.... would make both God and Mary equal contributors to the man Christ Jesus, and is the correct Biblical interpretation to the verses which rightly call him, both son of God and son of man.

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        • The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
          Do you believe that ?

          In the mind of God, Jesus existed in real time.

          God even speaks of Jesus in the millennial reign in Psalm 2, in real time.....



          Psalm 2 King James Version (KJV)

          2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

          2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

          3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

          4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

          5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

          6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

          7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

          8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

          9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.


          10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

          11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

          12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.




          ....in the present tense.



          God was not waiting around for His only begotten son to be born, but was talking to His only begotten son right here in this verse.

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          • Tom, the begotten son was in heaven during Psalm 2.,

            Look at what begotten means....




            be·get
            bəˈɡet/
            verb
            literary
            1. 1.
              (typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

            Now can you begin to see why Jesus came from the womb of Mary?


            Did you know that God knew Jeremiah before he was conceived?


            Did you know that God knows everyone before they are conceived?


            Now can you see how God spoke to His human, begotten son before he was conceived?


            .

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            • Originally posted by Truther View Post

              Do you think Jesus was implanted as a "God/man"?

              I bet you do.

              This is why you refuse to answer my very simple question.


              Fact is, there are 2 explanations one must process.


              #1.....Jesus was an implant and not the biological son of Mary(son of man).

              #2.....Jesus was formed by the Father as a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg and was qualified to be both the son of God AND the son of man.


              #2.... would make both God and Mary equal contributors to the man Christ Jesus, and is the correct Biblical interpretation to the verses which rightly call him, both son of God and son of man.
              Tom replies

              Do you have difficulty reading ?

              I told you exactly what my position is and why

              The bible does not give us the mechanics of the incarnation

              ...................................

              Originally posted by TomL View Post


              Tom replies

              Those are the words of scripture

              If they are not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you

              I will not go beyond what the scriptures state
              I believe Mary was his mother as scripture states
              Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
              The fact is however The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
              Do you believe that ?

              and BTW you have not answered my question

              ................................

              And you still have not answered my question,.

              Unlike your question however what I questioned you about the bible does speak of.

              Why is it you do not answer ?





              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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              • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                Tom replies

                Do you have difficulty reading ?

                I told you exactly what my position is and why

                The bible does not give us the mechanics of the incarnation

                ...................................

                Originally posted by TomL View Post


                Tom replies

                Those are the words of scripture

                If they are not good enough for you I don't know what to tell you

                I will not go beyond what the scriptures state
                I believe Mary was his mother as scripture states
                Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
                The fact is however The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
                Do you believe that ?

                and BTW you have not answered my question

                ................................

                And you still have not answered my question,.

                Unlike your question however what I questioned you about the bible does speak of.

                Why is it you do not answer ?




                Your position is "I dunno"?

                Fine with me.

                I answered your question 3 posts ago, didn't you see it?
                Last edited by Truther; 02-12-18, 10:31 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                  Okay, then,...I will build you as God's church since Jesus ceased....LOL

                  C'mon bro, you and I both know that the Holy Ghost is BUSY in our lives, and the Holy Ghost founded our walk with God, and the only reason we are even interested in the Bible is the WORK of God in our lives.

                  So, let go of your presuppositions as I have had to and let Jesus continue to build, because He never rests and is the master builder.
                  If it feels good do it..

                  But no, I will continue on as I always have, believing as I always have.

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                  • Originally posted by noble View Post

                    If it feels good do it..

                    But no, I will continue on as I always have, believing as I always have.
                    Noble, don't do me like that.

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                    • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                      Noble, don't do me like that.
                      Can't lie... I will continue to believe as I have unless someone, anyone...shows me some biblical places to improve.

                      noble

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                      • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                        Your position is "I dunno"?

                        Fine with me.

                        I answered your question 3 posts ago, didn't you see it?
                        Tom replies

                        My position is I do not speak where the bible does not speak

                        As for what you wrote a couple of posts ago there was this

                        The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
                        Do you believe that ?

                        You replied

                        In the mind of God, Jesus existed in real time.

                        but the question was
                        The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
                        Do you believe that ?
                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                        • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          Tom replies

                          My position is I do not speak where the bible does not speak

                          As for what you wrote a couple of posts ago there was this

                          The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
                          Do you believe that ?

                          You replied

                          In the mind of God, Jesus existed in real time.

                          but the question was
                          The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created
                          Do you believe that ?
                          I dont believe in a so called "second person".

                          God is not divided into persons.

                          Where/when did that idea originate, anyway?

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                          • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                            I dont believe in a so called "second person".

                            God is not divided into persons.

                            Where/when did that idea originate, anyway?
                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                              I dont believe in a so called "second person".

                              God is not divided into persons.

                              Where/when did that idea originate, anyway?
                              Tom replies

                              Finally a direct answer to


                              but the question was

                              The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created

                              Do you believe that ?

                              Where did the idea originate ?

                              With scripture


                              Jn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                              2 The same was in the beginning with God.
                              3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
                              4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


                              There is the God and there is the logos One was with the other and both are called God




                              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                              • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                                Tom replies

                                Finally a direct answer to


                                but the question was

                                The second person pre-existed his birth to the virgin and was deity before the worlds were created

                                Do you believe that ?

                                Where did the idea originate ?

                                With scripture


                                Jn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
                                2 The same was in the beginning with God.
                                3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
                                4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


                                There is the God and there is the logos
                                One was with the other and both are called God



                                Wait Tom.

                                Who invented the 2 person idea?

                                Does it say 2 persons in our Bibles?

                                Am I supposed to believe there are 2 persons in the Godhead without finding out who first said it?

                                Aren't you curious about the founders of your beliefs?

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