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  • #16
    [QUOTE=TomL;

    Physical death is still out there. The death in Romans 5:14 ended with Moses... actually towards the end of the covenant made which ended in the generation of John Andrew, James and Peter. 1 Cor 10:11

    noble

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    • #17
      [QUOTE=noble;n5019877][QUOTE=TomL;

      Physical death is still out there. The death in Romans 5:14 ended with Moses... actually towards the end of the covenant made which ended in the generation of John Andrew, James and Peter. 1 Cor 10:11

      noble
      [/QUOTE]

      Tom replies

      Sorry no death end with Moses

      Moses long before Christ and the new covenant

      Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

      come out of your denial Noble

      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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      • #18
        [QUOTE=TomL;n5019885]
        Originally posted by noble View Post

        Tom replies

        Sorry no death end with Moses

        Moses long before Christ and the new covenant

        Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

        come out of your denial Noble
        Hey Tom... you may not want to continue with this, I'll leave it up to you.

        Here is the verses...
        Romans 5
        14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

        DEATH reigned from Adam to Moses.... we all know when it started and that was with the eating of the kiwi. God told Adam he would die if he ate the fruit.

        So when is Moses around.... he was born here:
        Now a man from the house of Levi went and married a daughter of Levi. 2 The woman conceived and bore a son; and when she saw that he was beautiful, she hid him for three months.

        He wrote some books from the bible at about 1445 BC.
        His influence on the biblical affairs of people was seriously curbed in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple where the sacrifices had been held,,,,
        Hebrews 9
        8 The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing, 9 which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, 10 since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.

        11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood,

        So this death reigning had to be from the eating of the fruit to sometime between 1400???? and the time of the cross and the parousia which was 70 AD. The 'law' is a nice talking point for you but it means next to nothing other that the new covenant replaced it and put an end to the 'death' as Romans 5:14 said it would.

        What death? Well physical death still reigns so it wasn't that. The bible doesn't really explain an exact definition of spiritual death and we each understand it our own way . The way I understand it is that it is a falling away from the belief in Jesus... that is just opinion and means next to nothing in the scheme of things.

        It doesn't matter because there are other verses which I can get information from.
        2 Tim 1
        10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

        This is past tense meaning Jesus has already abolished this death. SO this was written in the 60's somewhere which means Jesus had that done by that time.
        That fits n with time of Moses in that his influence was been replaced by the teaching from Jesus.

        We know from Paul:
        25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

        Then we read about Martha..
        Martha and Jesus are alone in her yard just after Lazurus died where Martha revealed she KNEW about the resurrection on the last day...That last day was yet future as the conversation took place.
        After the last trump there is to be no more sleeping and waiting for a resurrection from the dead. Because as Jesus tells Martha in John 11:26 those who believe will never die. Martha believed so the bottom line fact of the bible is...MARTHA WOULD NEVER DIE!

        There is the death from Adam to Moses again, there is the time that agrees with the destroying of death in 2 Tim 1:10. Martha would be one of the first who would never die.
        I remind you of your feeble attempt at trying to bring in 'law' to change the time of Roman 5;14. Those kind of things are so obviously fabrications to justify a false doctrine... it rats right up there with 1948 and building a new temple stuff.
        What stalls you whole daydream is this ...MARTH NEVER DIED and here i why.. Marth lived her life on planet earth until she physically died. Marth instantly began LIVING eternally IN heaven which means MARTHA NEVER DIED.
        In many years as I have challenged make believe Christians all over the internet, no one has ever even responded to that about Martha. There has never even been a feeble excuse like your law thing for Romans 5.

        For Marth to begin LIVING in heaven means that God ha shaken the heavens for the last time, Jesus PAROUSIA and the great trib are over, the resurrections of the dead have taken place and Jesus has established the kingdom of heaven.

        SoTom, feel free to believe the bible any way you want and I hope you find comfort in your home grown theology.. Don't for a second think you can convince me of anything the bible does not say.

        There would be nothing further to discuss here.

        Comment


        • #19
          [QUOTE=noble;n5020673][QUOTE=TomL;n5019885]

          Hey Tom... you may not want to continue with this, I'll leave it up to you.

          Here is the verses...
          Romans 5
          14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

          DEATH reigned from Adam to Moses.... we all know when it started and that was with the eating of the kiwi. God told Adam he would die if he ate the fruit.

          Tom replies

          Why are you diverting ? There already is a thread dealing with Ro 5:12-14

          And all you have done with it is throw out verse 13 and reinterpreted from Adam to Moses to from Adam to a time past Christ

          Still to the topic

          TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
          01-09-18, 01:50 PM
          Full Preterism robs Christ

          Our verse is

          Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

          The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

          The word translated Redemption is

          629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

          from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

          AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

          1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
          1a) redemption, deliverance
          1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

          It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

          Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

          The dictionary of theology states

          Redemption

          Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

          It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

          Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

          Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

          There was a price to be paid for this redemption

          1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

          Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

          Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

          Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

          1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
          19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

          This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

          Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

          This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

          The bible asks

          Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

          In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.








          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

          Comment


          • #20
            TomL;
            Again Tom, if you have nothing to counter the following you lost the discussion... you may not know that and accept that but I know that...


            Then we read about Martha..
            Martha and Jesus are alone in her yard just after Lazurus died where Martha revealed she KNEW about the resurrection on the last day...That last day was yet future as the conversation took place.
            After the last trump there is to be no more sleeping and waiting for a resurrection from the dead. Because as Jesus tells Martha in John 11:26 those who believe will never die. Martha believed so the bottom line fact of the bible is...MARTHA WOULD NEVER DIE!

            There is the death from Adam to Moses again, there is the time that agrees with the destroying of death in 2 Tim 1:10. Martha would be one of the first who would never die.
            I remind you of your feeble attempt at trying to bring in 'law' to change the time of Roman 5;14. Those kind of things are so obviously fabrications to justify a false doctrine... it rats right up there with 1948 and building a new temple stuff.
            What stalls you whole daydream is this ...MARTH NEVER DIED and here i why.. Marth lived her life on planet earth until she physically died. Marth instantly began LIVING eternally IN heaven which means MARTHA NEVER DIED.
            In many years as I have challenged make believe Christians all over the internet, no one has ever even responded to that about Martha. There has never even been a feeble excuse like your law thing for Romans 5.

            For Marth to begin LIVING in heaven means that God has shaken the heavens for the last time, Jesus PAROUSIA and the great trib are over, the resurrections of the dead have taken place and Jesus has established the kingdom of heaven.

            SoTom, feel free to believe the bible any way you want and I hope you find comfort in your home grown theology.. Don't for a second think you can convince me of anything the bible does not say.

            There would be nothing further to discuss here.

            noble

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by noble View Post
              TomL;
              Again Tom, if you have nothing to counter the following you lost the discussion... you may not know that and accept that but I know that...


              Then we read about Martha..
              Martha and Jesus are alone in her yard just after Lazurus died where Martha revealed she KNEW about the resurrection on the last day...That last day was yet future as the conversation took place.
              After the last trump there is to be no more sleeping and waiting for a resurrection from the dead. Because as Jesus tells Martha in John 11:26 those who believe will never die. Martha believed so the bottom line fact of the bible is...MARTHA WOULD NEVER DIE!

              There is the death from Adam to Moses again, there is the time that agrees with the destroying of death in 2 Tim 1:10. Martha would be one of the first who would never die.
              I remind you of your feeble attempt at trying to bring in 'law' to change the time of Roman 5;14. Those kind of things are so obviously fabrications to justify a false doctrine... it rats right up there with 1948 and building a new temple stuff.
              What stalls you whole daydream is this ...MARTH NEVER DIED and here i why.. Marth lived her life on planet earth until she physically died. Marth instantly began LIVING eternally IN heaven which means MARTHA NEVER DIED.
              In many years as I have challenged make believe Christians all over the internet, no one has ever even responded to that about Martha. There has never even been a feeble excuse like your law thing for Romans 5.

              For Marth to begin LIVING in heaven means that God has shaken the heavens for the last time, Jesus PAROUSIA and the great trib are over, the resurrections of the dead have taken place and Jesus has established the kingdom of heaven.

              SoTom, feel free to believe the bible any way you want and I hope you find comfort in your home grown theology.. Don't for a second think you can convince me of anything the bible does not say.

              There would be nothing further to discuss here.

              noble
              Tom replies

              sorry that is the same old nonsense addressed elsewherel

              Why are you diverting ? There already is a thread dealing with Ro 5:12-14

              And all you have done with it is throw out verse 13 and reinterpreted from Adam to Moses to from Adam to a time past Christ

              Stick to the topicll to the topic

              TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
              01-09-18, 01:50 PM
              Full Preterism robs Christ

              Our verse is

              Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

              The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

              The word translated Redemption is

              629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

              from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

              AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

              1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
              1a) redemption, deliverance
              1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

              It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

              Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

              The dictionary of theology states

              Redemption

              Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

              It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

              Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

              Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

              There was a price to be paid for this redemption

              1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

              Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

              Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

              Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

              1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
              19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

              This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

              Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

              This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

              The bible asks

              Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

              In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.





              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

              Comment


              • #22
                TomL;

                Again Tom, if you have nothing to counter the following you lost the discussion... you may not know that and accept that but I know that...


                Then we read about Martha..
                Martha and Jesus are alone in her yard just after Lazurus died where Martha revealed she KNEW about the resurrection on the last day...That last day was yet future as the conversation took place.
                After the last trump there is to be no more sleeping and waiting for a resurrection from the dead. Because as Jesus tells Martha in John 11:26 those who believe will never die. Martha believed so the bottom line fact of the bible is...MARTHA WOULD NEVER DIE!

                There is the death from Adam to Moses again, there is the time that agrees with the destroying of death in 2 Tim 1:10. Martha would be one of the first who would never die.
                I remind you of your feeble attempt at trying to bring in 'law' to change the time of Roman 5;14. Those kind of things are so obviously fabrications to justify a false doctrine... it rats right up there with 1948 and building a new temple stuff.
                What stalls you whole daydream is this ...MARTH NEVER DIED and here i why.. Marth lived her life on planet earth until she physically died. Marth instantly began LIVING eternally IN heaven which means MARTHA NEVER DIED.
                In many years as I have challenged make believe Christians all over the internet, no one has ever even responded to that about Martha. There has never even been a feeble excuse like your law thing for Romans 5.

                For Marth to begin LIVING in heaven means that God has shaken the heavens for the last time, Jesus PAROUSIA and the great trib are over, the resurrections of the dead have taken place and Jesus has established the kingdom of heaven.

                SoTom, feel free to believe the bible any way you want and I hope you find comfort in your home grown theology.. Don't for a second think you can convince me of anything the bible does not say.

                There would be nothing further to discuss here.

                Well I had that one right.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Good I'm totally done with that thread.

                noble

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by noble View Post
                  TomL;

                  Again Tom, if you have nothing to counter the following you lost the discussion... you may not know that and accept that but I know that...


                  Then we read about Martha..
                  Martha and Jesus are alone in her yard just after Lazurus died where Martha revealed she KNEW about the resurrection on the last day...That last day was yet future as the conversation took place.
                  After the last trump there is to be no more sleeping and waiting for a resurrection from the dead. Because as Jesus tells Martha in John 11:26 those who believe will never die. Martha believed so the bottom line fact of the bible is...MARTHA WOULD NEVER DIE!

                  There is the death from Adam to Moses again, there is the time that agrees with the destroying of death in 2 Tim 1:10. Martha would be one of the first who would never die.
                  I remind you of your feeble attempt at trying to bring in 'law' to change the time of Roman 5;14. Those kind of things are so obviously fabrications to justify a false doctrine... it rats right up there with 1948 and building a new temple stuff.
                  What stalls you whole daydream is this ...MARTH NEVER DIED and here i why.. Marth lived her life on planet earth until she physically died. Marth instantly began LIVING eternally IN heaven which means MARTHA NEVER DIED.
                  In many years as I have challenged make believe Christians all over the internet, no one has ever even responded to that about Martha. There has never even been a feeble excuse like your law thing for Romans 5.

                  For Marth to begin LIVING in heaven means that God has shaken the heavens for the last time, Jesus PAROUSIA and the great trib are over, the resurrections of the dead have taken place and Jesus has established the kingdom of heaven.

                  SoTom, feel free to believe the bible any way you want and I hope you find comfort in your home grown theology.. Don't for a second think you can convince me of anything the bible does not say.

                  There would be nothing further to discuss here.

                  Well I had that one right.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Good I'm totally done with that thread.

                  noble
                  Tom replies

                  Wrong thread Noble

                  This thread is about how full Preterism robs Christ


                  TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
                  01-09-18, 01:50 PM
                  Full Preterism robs Christ

                  Our verse is

                  Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                  The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                  The word translated Redemption is

                  629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                  from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                  AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                  1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                  1a) redemption, deliverance
                  1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                  It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                  Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                  The dictionary of theology states

                  Redemption

                  Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                  It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                  Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                  Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                  There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                  1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                  Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                  Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                  Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                  1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                  19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                  This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                  Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                  This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                  The bible asks

                  Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                  In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.


                  .........................

                  PS if youn want me to tear the nonsense you post create a thred for it

                  In the meantime address the op
                  Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    [QUOTE=TomL;

                    Yes again it seems you are not able to follow tru a sequence of biblical references to illustrate a point so I think it best we just forget this topic too.

                    noble

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      [QUOTE=noble;n5034682][QUOTE=TomL;

                      Yes again it seems you are not able to follow tru a sequence of biblical references to illustrate a point so I think it best we just forget this topic too.

                      noble
                      [/QUOTE]

                      Tom replies

                      Sorry Noble but you needed to stick to the topic of the op

                      BTW apparently you did not read

                      Tom replies

                      Wrong thread Noble

                      This thread is about how full Preterism robs Christ


                      TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
                      01-09-18, 01:50 PM
                      Full Preterism robs Christ

                      Our verse is

                      Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                      The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                      The word translated Redemption is

                      629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                      from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                      AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                      1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                      1a) redemption, deliverance
                      1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                      It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                      Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                      The dictionary of theology states

                      Redemption

                      Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                      It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                      Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                      Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                      There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                      1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                      Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                      Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                      Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                      1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                      19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                      This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                      Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                      This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                      The bible asks

                      Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                      In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.


                      .........................

                      PS if you want me to tear up the nonsense you post create a thread for it

                      In the meantime address the op
                      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        [QUOTE=TomL;n5034784]
                        Originally posted by noble View Post

                        Tom replies

                        Sorry Noble but you needed to stick to the topic of the op

                        BTW apparently you did not read

                        Tom replies

                        Wrong thread Noble

                        This thread is about how full Preterism robs Christ


                        TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
                        01-09-18, 01:50 PM
                        Full Preterism robs Christ

                        Our verse is

                        Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                        The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                        The word translated Redemption is

                        629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                        from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                        AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                        1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                        1a) redemption, deliverance
                        1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                        It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                        Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                        The dictionary of theology states

                        Redemption

                        Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                        It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                        Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                        Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                        There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                        1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                        Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                        Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                        Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                        1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                        19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                        This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                        Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                        This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                        The bible asks

                        Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                        In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.


                        .........................

                        PS if you want me to tear up the nonsense you post create a thread for it

                        In the meantime address the op
                        No more here Tom....

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                        • #27
                          [QUOTE=noble;n5034811]
                          Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          No more here Tom....
                          Tom replies

                          Having trouble dealing with multiple ops I see

                          This op concerned itself with


                          TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
                          01-09-18, 01:50 PM
                          Full Preterism robs Christ

                          Our verse is

                          Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                          The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                          The word translated Redemption is

                          629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                          from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                          AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                          1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                          1a) redemption, deliverance
                          1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                          It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                          Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                          The dictionary of theology states

                          Redemption

                          Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                          It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                          Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                          Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                          There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                          1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                          Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                          Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                          Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                          1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                          19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                          This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                          Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                          This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                          The bible asks

                          Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                          In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.


                          .........................

                          PS if you want me to tear up the nonsense you post create a thread for it

                          In the meantime address the op
                          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            [QUOTE=TomL;n5034832]
                            Originally posted by noble View Post

                            Tom replies

                            Having trouble dealing with multiple ops I see

                            This op concerned itself with


                            TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ
                            01-09-18, 01:50 PM
                            Full Preterism robs Christ

                            Our verse is

                            Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                            The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                            The word translated Redemption is

                            629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                            from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                            AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                            1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                            1a) redemption, deliverance
                            1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                            It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                            Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                            The dictionary of theology states

                            Redemption

                            Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                            It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                            Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                            Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                            There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                            1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                            Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                            Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                            Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                            1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                            19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                            This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                            Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                            This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                            The bible asks

                            Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                            In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.


                            .........................

                            PS if you want me to tear up the nonsense you post create a thread for it

                            In the meantime address the op
                            I chose to leave this thread alone,
                            thank you
                            noble

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              [QUOTE=noble;n5035124]
                              Originally posted by TomL View Post

                              I chose to leave this thread alone,
                              thank you
                              noble
                              Tom replies

                              Ok

                              The op stands


                              TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ

                              01-09-18, 01:50 PM

                              Full Preterism robs Christ

                              Our verse is

                              Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                              The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                              The word translated Redemption is

                              629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                              from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                              AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                              1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                              1a) redemption, deliverance
                              1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                              It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                              Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                              The dictionary of theology states

                              Redemption

                              Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                              It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                              Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                              Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                              There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                              1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                              Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                              Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                              Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                              1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                              19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                              This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                              Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                              This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                              The bible asks

                              Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                              In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.





                              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                [QUOTE=TomL;n5035259]
                                Originally posted by noble View Post

                                Tom replies

                                Ok

                                The op stands


                                TomL started a topic Full Preterism robs Christ

                                01-09-18, 01:50 PM

                                Full Preterism robs Christ

                                Our verse is

                                Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

                                The subject is redemption. The verse above speaks of the redemption of the body

                                The word translated Redemption is

                                629 ἀπολύτρωσις apolutrosis ap-ol-oo’-tro-sis

                                from a compound of 575 and 3083; n f; TDNT-4:351,543; ** See TDNT 456 **

                                AV-redemption 9, deliverance 1; 10

                                1) a releasing effected by payment of ransom
                                1a) redemption, deliverance
                                1b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

                                It's radical meaning is a releasing effected by payment of ransom

                                Concerning the doctrine of redemption as it pertains to Christ

                                The dictionary of theology states

                                Redemption

                                Redemption means to free someone from bondage. It often involves the paying of a ransom, a price that makes redemption possible. The Israelites were redeemed from Egypt. We were redeemed from the power of sin and the curse of the Law #Ga 3:13 through Jesus; #Ro 3:24 Col 1:14 We were bought with a price; #1Co 6:20 7:23.

                                It is important we realize there is redemption in Christ

                                Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

                                Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

                                There was a price to be paid for this redemption

                                1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

                                Now the payment of this redemption is nothing less than the blood of Christ

                                Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

                                Re 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

                                1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
                                19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

                                This redemption that is in Christ is multifaceted

                                Ro 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies

                                This would be something Christ paid for with his blood

                                The bible asks

                                Mal 3:8 "Will a man rob God? .............................

                                In denying the bodies redemption full Preterism robs Christ of that which he paid for.




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