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  • [QUOTE=noble;n5209396]
    Originally posted by TomL View Post

    Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

    noble
    Tom replies

    No its not heaven. Deal with the argument

    [QUOTE=TomL;n5209192]

    Originally posted by noble View Post

    Tom replies

    Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

    1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

    Give it up Noble

    ................................

    It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven




    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

    Comment


    • TomL;

      Ah you missed the whole thing.....again....

      Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

      noble

      Comment


      • Originally posted by noble View Post
        TomL;

        Ah you missed the whole thing.....again....

        Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

        noble
        Tom replies

        What did you not understand Noble ?

        I will highlight it for you

        [QUOTE=noble;n5209396]

        Originally posted by TomL View Post

        Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

        noble




        Tom replies

        No its not heaven. Deal with the argument


        [QUOTE=TomL;n5209192]

        Originally posted by noble View Post

        Tom replies

        Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

        1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

        Give it up Noble

        ................................

        It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven


        and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

        No deal with the objection

        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

        Comment


        • [QUOTE=TomL;n5210059]

          Tom replies

          What did you not understand Noble ?

          I will highlight it for you

          [QUOTE=noble;n5209396]

          Originally posted by TomL View Post

          Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

          noble




          Tom replies

          No its not heaven. Deal with the argument


          Originally posted by TomL View Post

          Originally posted by noble View Post

          Tom replies

          Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

          1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
          16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
          17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

          You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

          Give it up Noble

          ................................

          It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven


          and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

          No deal with the objection
          and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you
          Thank you.

          noble

          Comment


          • [QUOTE=noble;n5210078][QUOTE=TomL;n5210059]

            Tom replies

            What did you not understand Noble ?

            I will highlight it for you

            Originally posted by noble View Post

            Originally posted by TomL View Post

            Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

            noble




            Tom replies

            No its not heaven. Deal with the argument


            [COLOR=#252C2F][FONT=Helvetica][FONT=Helvetica]



            Thank you.

            noble
            Tom replies

            Next thing we know Noble will claim that thank you as an answer

            He did not answer the objection however

            [QUOTE=TomL;n5210059]

            Tom replies

            What did you not understand Noble ?

            I will highlight it for you


            [QUOTE=noble;n5209396]

            Originally posted by TomL View Post

            Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

            noble




            Tom replies


            No its not heaven. Deal with the argument



            Originally posted by TomL View Post
            Originally posted by noble View Post

            Tom replies

            Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

            1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
            16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
            17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

            You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

            Give it up Noble

            ................................
            It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven
            and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

            No deal with the objection





            and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you



            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

            Comment


            • [QUOTE=TomL;

              We agree Tom the dead who were resurrected and the people who are caught up were not caught up to be on earth, they are in the cloud.

              noble

              Comment


              • [QUOTE=noble;n5210230][QUOTE=TomL;

                We agree Tom the dead who were resurrected and the people who are caught up were not caught up to be on earth, they are in the cloud.

                noble[/QUOTE]

                Tom replies

                Now deal with the fact it is not heaven


                I will highlight it for you


                [QUOTE=noble;n5209396]


                Originally posted by TomL View Post

                Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                noble





                Tom replies


                No its not heaven. Deal with the argument



                Tom replies

                Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                Give it up Noble

                ................................

                It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven

                and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                No deal with the objection



                and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you
                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                Comment


                • [QUOTE=TomL;n5210377][QUOTE=noble;n5210230]

                  Tom replies

                  Now deal with the fact it is not heaven


                  I will highlight it for you


                  Originally posted by noble View Post


                  Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                  noble





                  Tom replies


                  No its not heaven. Deal with the argument



                  Tom replies

                  Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                  1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                  16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                  17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                  You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                  Give it up Noble

                  ................................

                  It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven

                  and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                  No deal with the objection



                  and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you
                  Nah you first deal with the fact the forever is NOT on earth.

                  Earth is a real tangible place , you can reach out and touch it. The air isn't! ,, nor is heaven as Heaven is everywhere reality isn't .. Jesus left heaven and never made a mile! He is just there.

                  noble

                  Comment


                  • [QUOTE=noble;n5210535][QUOTE=TomL;n5210377]
                    Originally posted by noble View Post

                    Tom replies

                    Now deal with the fact it is not heaven


                    I will highlight it for you


                    [LEFT][COLOR=#252C2F][FONT=Helvetica][FONT=Helvetica][FONT=Helvetica]

                    Nah you first deal with the fact the forever is NOT on earth.

                    Earth is a real tangible place , you can reach out and touch it. The air isn't! ,, nor is heaven as Heaven is everywhere reality isn't .. Jesus left heaven and never made a mile! He is just there.

                    noble
                    Tom replies

                    Well Noble are you wanting to claim it is earth ?

                    That would as effectively refute your eschatology just as much as being in a cloud in the air would

                    Either way it is not heaven

                    So speak up

                    Is that what you want to claim ?

                    Tom replies

                    Now deal with the fact it is not heaven


                    I will highlight it for you



                    Originally posted by noble View Post


                    Originally posted by TomL View Post

                    Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                    noble




                    Tom replies
                    No its not heaven. Deal with the argument


                    Tom replies

                    Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                    1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                    You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                    Give it up Noble

                    ................................
                    It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven
                    and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                    No deal with the objection





                    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                    Comment


                    • TomL;

                      Nope you deal with the fact they are forever with the Lord AWAY from earth. You still think heaven has a street address like 10 miles up and 2 miles west or something. Heaven is a spiritual realm and is everywhere. Jesus can come down to you as a recently dead person and He doesn't travel thru space He is just there! So your 'coming down from heaven' argument doesn't say much, being IN THE AIR forever does.

                      Anyway did you ever understand that SLEEP is much more than death? DO you understand there is no such thing as sleep anymore? We might as well get back to the thread for a bit.

                      noble

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by noble View Post
                        TomL;

                        Nope you deal with the fact they are forever with the Lord AWAY from earth. You still think heaven has a street address like 10 miles up and 2 miles west or something. Heaven is a spiritual realm and is everywhere. Jesus can come down to you as a recently dead person and He doesn't travel thru space He is just there! So your 'coming down from heaven' argument doesn't say much, being IN THE AIR forever does.

                        Anyway did you ever understand that SLEEP is much more than death? DO you understand there is no such thing as sleep anymore? We might as well get back to the thread for a bit.

                        noble
                        Tom replies

                        Sorry you are ignoring the fact it is plainly stated Christ descended from out of heaven

                        Deal with it

                        [QUOTE=noble;n5210535][QUOTE=TomL;n5210377]
                        [FONT=Helvetica] [FONT=Helvetica]
                        Originally posted by noble View Post
                        [FONT=Helvetica]
                        Tom replies

                        Now deal with the fact it is not heaven


                        I will highlight it for you


                        [LEFT][COLOR=#252C2F]

                        Nah you first deal with the fact the forever is NOT on earth.

                        Earth is a real tangible place , you can reach out and touch it. The air isn't! ,, nor is heaven as Heaven is everywhere reality isn't .. Jesus left heaven and never made a mile! He is just there.

                        noble




                        Tom replies

                        Well Noble are you wanting to claim it is earth ?

                        That would as effectively refute your eschatology just as much as being in a cloud in the air would

                        Either way it is not heaven

                        So speak up

                        Is that what you want to claim ?


                        Tom replies


                        Now deal with the fact it is not heaven



                        I will highlight it for you



                        Originally posted by noble View Post


                        Originally posted by TomL View Post

                        Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                        noble




                        Tom replies

                        No its not heaven. Deal with the argument



                        Tom replies

                        Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                        1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                        You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                        Give it up Noble

                        ................................

                        It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven

                        and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                        No deal with the objection

                        .................................................. ..

                        and don't dodge


                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                        Comment


                        • [QUOTE=TomL;

                          Get lost Tom... YOU explain how eternity is NOT on earth and as you do that think back on where eternity really is.... maybe you;'ll even answer your own questions in that process.

                          noble

                          Comment


                          • [QUOTE=noble;n5211665][QUOTE=TomL;

                            Get lost Tom... YOU explain how eternity is NOT on earth and as you do that think back on where eternity really is.... maybe you;'ll even answer your own questions in that process.

                            noble[/QUOTE]

                            Tom replies

                            You must really be stuck if you want to argue about the catching up being on earth after you claimed it was to heaven

                            Well Noble are you wanting to claim it is earth ?


                            That would as effectively refute your eschatology just as much as being in a cloud in the air would


                            Either way it is not heaven


                            So speak up


                            Is that what you want to claim ?


                            Tom replies


                            Now deal with the fact it is not heaven



                            I will highlight it for you




                            Originally posted by noble View Post


                            Originally posted by TomL View Post

                            Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                            noble






                            Tom replies


                            No its not heaven. Deal with the argument




                            Tom replies

                            Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                            1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                            16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                            17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                            You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                            Give it up Noble

                            ................................



                            It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven


                            and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                            No deal with the objection

                            .................................................. ..

                            and don't dodge

                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                            Comment


                            • [QUOTE=TomL;

                              I'd say "Nice try" but it wasn't. You know perfectly well you are not trying to prove being caught up to earth..
                              Just go ahead and explain why the forever with Jesus is in the cloud and not on earth...

                              Take your time... I'm not going anywhere for a while.

                              noble

                              Comment


                              • [QUOTE=noble;n5211744][QUOTE=TomL;

                                I'd say "Nice try" but it wasn't. You know perfectly well you are not trying to prove being caught up to earth..
                                Just go ahead and explain why the forever with Jesus is in the cloud and not on earth...

                                Take your time... I'm not going anywhere for a while.

                                noble[/QUOTE]

                                Tom replies

                                You are a bit confused here Noble it was you who brought up the earth

                                I told you to deal with the fact it was not heaven

                                For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

                                Christ had descended from Heaven


                                And you still have not

                                Originally posted by noble View Post

                                Get lost Tom... YOU explain how eternity is NOT on earth and as you do that think back on where eternity really is.... maybe you;'ll even answer your own questions in that process.

                                noble

                                Tom replies

                                You must really be stuck if you want to argue about the catching up being on earth after you claimed it was to heaven

                                Well Noble are you wanting to claim it is earth ?


                                That would as effectively refute your eschatology just as much as being in a cloud in the air would


                                Either way it is not heaven


                                So speak up


                                Is that what you want to claim ?



                                Tom replies



                                Now deal with the fact it is not heaven




                                I will highlight it for you




                                Originally posted by noble View Post


                                Originally posted by TomL View Post

                                Not heaven eh? SO does it say they are forever with Jesus ON earth?

                                noble





                                Tom replies


                                No its not heaven. Deal with the argument




                                Tom replies

                                Sorry the cloud in the air referred to is not heaven

                                1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
                                16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
                                17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

                                You want to keep them forever in the air then you have kept them forever out of heaven

                                Give it up Noble

                                ................................


                                It is where Christ will meet with those caught up after he descends or comes down from heaven


                                and it is not earth seeing as you require it spelled out for you

                                No deal with the objection

                                .................................................. ..

                                and don't dodge
                                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                                Comment

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