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Partial prophecy. What is the past and what is the future?

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  • Partial prophecy. What is the past and what is the future?

    Suppose the full prophet believes that all the eschatological prophecies are fulfilled, which, in my opinion, is a problem for some of the prophets. My problem is that it is difficult for me to determine the prophecies in Daniel, Matthew, Revelation, etc. These prophets believe that they are not yet realized.

    If someone can list the core for me, I would be very grateful. Please understand that I do not spend this problem. Recently, I've read a lot and "YouTubing" on this issue, and no one seems to explain clearly what an unfulfilled prophecy is, which makes partial prior approval different from the position of a full reservist.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
    Suppose the full prophet believes that all the eschatological prophecies are fulfilled, which, in my opinion, is a problem for some of the prophets. My problem is that it is difficult for me to determine the prophecies in Daniel, Matthew, Revelation, etc. These prophets believe that they are not yet realized.

    If someone can list the core for me, I would be very grateful. Please understand that I do not spend this problem. Recently, I've read a lot and "YouTubing" on this issue, and no one seems to explain clearly what an unfulfilled prophecy is, which makes partial prior approval different from the position of a full reservist.
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    Hi Jonathan,

    Welcome to CARM, and hope you enjoy it here!

    I read your OP several times, and don't fully understand it. Perhaps, if you be more specific we can respond.


    They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:16

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
      no one seems to explain clearly what an unfulfilled prophecy is,
      An unfulfilled propecy is a prophetic utterance, the provision of which has not been manifested.

      One would be the return of Jesus. Another would be the JUDGEMENT, another would the church of Eph 4.

      There are two reasons that a prophesy would be unfulfilled.

      The Prophesy may be PHONY.

      It's not TIME for the fulfillment yet.

      Simple as that.

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      • #4
        JonathanM, the eschatological events have simply not yet happened. No getting by that fact. Therefore, preterism is false.

        Please don't believe the goofy excuses preterists make to try to shoehorn other past events into Biblical prophecy. The coming events are very specific, & it's obvious they haven't yet occurred.

        The proof is EASY - the world is going right on as it has since Jesus was here as a man.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jonathanm View Post
          Suppose the full prophet believes that all the eschatological prophecies are fulfilled, which, in my opinion, is a problem for some of the prophets. My problem is that it is difficult for me to determine the prophecies in Daniel, Matthew, Revelation, etc. These prophets believe that they are not yet realized.

          If someone can list the core for me, I would be very grateful. Please understand that I do not spend this problem. Recently, I've read a lot and "YouTubing" on this issue, and no one seems to explain clearly what an unfulfilled prophecy is, which makes partial prior approval different from the position of a full reservist.
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          Tom replies

          Hello and welcome

          Generally I would state Matthew 24 has been fulfilled up but not including to verse 36. Revelation mostly up to Ch 20:6
          and off the top of my head all of Dan except for Dan 12:2,3

          In other words the resurrection, the catching of living saints at Christs advent that is the second physical advent of Christ, the universal judgment and the new heaven and the new earth
          remain to be fulfilled





          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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          • #6
            Tom replies

            Hello and welcome

            Generally I would state Matthew 24 has been fulfilled up to but not including verse 36. Revelation mostly up to Ch 20:4
            and off the top of my head all of Dan except for Dan 12:2,3

            In other words the completion of the 1000 years, the resurrection, the catching of living saints at Christs advent that is the second physical advent of Christ, the universal judgment and the new heaven and the new earth remain to be fulfilled
            Last edited by TomL; 08-05-18, 08:52 AM.
            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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            • #7
              Johnathanm,

              The Lord Jesus Christ told His disciples...

              Luke 21

              20 And when YE shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, THEN know the desolation thereof is nigh.

              21 THEN let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst thereof depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

              22 For THESE BE "the days of vengeance," that ALL THINGS which ARE WRITTEN may be fulfilled.

              The "days of vengeance" and desolation of Jerusalem occurred AD70.

              Either, ALL THINGS WRITTEN (prophets and prophecies) were fulfilled at that time, or Jesus Christ was/is a false prophet!
              They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:16

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sower View Post
                Johnathanm,

                The Lord Jesus Christ told His disciples...

                Luke 21

                20 And when YE shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, THEN know the desolation thereof is nigh.

                21 THEN let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst thereof depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

                22 For THESE BE "the days of vengeance," that ALL THINGS which ARE WRITTEN may be fulfilled.

                The "days of vengeance" and desolation of Jerusalem occurred AD70.

                Either, ALL THINGS WRITTEN (prophets and prophecies) were fulfilled at that time, or Jesus Christ was/is a false prophet!
                Tom replies

                Check the context

                Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)
                20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
                21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
                22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
                23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give ****, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
                24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

                It is everything written about Israel punishment

                Similar is

                Luke 18:31 (KJV)
                31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.


                Does that mean the second coming was to happen when Jesus went up to Jerusalem ?

                Not if you check the context

                Luke 18:32-33 (KJV)
                32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
                33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

                Ref Steve Gregg: When shall these things be

                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Tom replies

                  Check the context

                  Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)
                  20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
                  21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
                  22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
                  23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give ****, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
                  24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

                  It is everything written about Israel punishment

                  Similar is

                  Luke 18:31 (KJV)
                  31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.


                  Does that mean the second coming was to happen when Jesus went up to Jerusalem ?

                  Not if you check the context

                  Luke 18:32-33 (KJV)
                  32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
                  33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

                  Ref Steve Gregg: When shall these things be
                  Correction that should be Keith Mathison not Steve Gregg
                  Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TomL View Post

                    Tom replies

                    Check the context

                    Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)
                    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
                    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
                    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
                    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give ****, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
                    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

                    It is everything written about Israel punishment
                    It is ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN (Genesis-Revelation) according to Jesus @ Luke 21:22.



                    Similar is

                    Luke 18:31 (KJV)
                    31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
                    That's not similar, to Luke 21:20-24.



                    Does that mean the second coming was to happen when Jesus went up to Jerusalem ?

                    Not if you check the context

                    Luke 18:32-33 (KJV)
                    32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
                    33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
                    Tom, Luke 18:32-33, is referencing fulfillment of particular prophecies pertaining to the Son of man's (death and resurrection) as clearly stated in the verses... whereas, Luke 21:20-24 is referencing the "fulfillment" of ALL WRITTEN prophecies!


                    Ref Steve Gregg: When shall these things be
                    Ref Jesus Christ: The Holy Scriptures!
                    They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:16

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TomL View Post
                      Tom replies

                      Hello and welcome

                      Generally I would state Matthew 24 has been fulfilled up to but not including verse 36. Revelation mostly up to Ch 20:4
                      and off the top of my head all of Dan except for Dan 12:2,3

                      In other words the completion of the 1000 years, the resurrection, the catching of living saints at Christs advent that is the second physical advent of Christ, the universal judgment and the new heaven and the new earth remain to be fulfilled
                      Why not including 36? Seems sort of arbitrary to pick verse 36.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                        Why not including 36? Seems sort of arbitrary to pick verse 36.
                        Tom replies

                        No not arbitrary

                        Up to verse 36 we have definite statement as to events and warning about when they would happen. At verse 36 we are informed that of that day no one knows
                        and basically told this would be without warning

                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          Tom replies

                          No not arbitrary

                          Up to verse 36 we have definite statement as to events and warning about when they would happen. At verse 36 we are informed that of that day no one knows
                          and basically told this would be without warning
                          What day is He referring to in context?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                            What day is He referring to in context?
                            tom replies

                            The Parousia see verse 37. It was not mentioned previously by Jesus but he was asked about it

                            Matthew 24:3 (KJV)
                            3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming (Parousia), and of the end of the world?

                            Matthew 24:36-37 (KJV)
                            36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
                            37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming (Parousia) of the Son of man be.




                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TomL View Post

                              tom replies

                              The Parousia see verse 37. It was not mentioned previously by Jesus but he was asked about it

                              Matthew 24:3 (KJV)
                              3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming (Parousia), and of the end of the world?

                              Matthew 24:36-37 (KJV)
                              36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
                              37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming (Parousia) of the Son of man be.



                              Is that the day He comes in His kingdom? Matthew 16:28?

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