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Calvin's Institutes and Full Preterism

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  • Calvin's Institutes and Full Preterism

    An online article challenges those who think Calvinism compatible with Hyper Preterism

    https://media.reformed.info/john-cal...ull-preterism/

    3. Here we must guard against the diabolical imagination of Servetus, who, from a wish, or at least the pretence of a wish, to extol the greatness of Christ, abolishes the promises entirely, as if they had come to an end at the same time with the Law. He pretends, that by the faith of the Gospel all the promises have been fulfilled; as if there was no distinction between us and Christ. I lately observed that Christ had not left any part of our salvation incomplete; but from this it is erroneously inferred, that we are now put in possession of all the blessings purchased by him; thereby implying, that Paul was incorrect in saying, We are saved by hope, (Rom 3:24). I admit, indeed, that by believing in Christ we pass from death unto life; but we must at the same time remember the words of John, that though we know we are the sons of God, it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is, (1 John 3:2). Therefore, although Christ offers us in the Gospel a present fulness of spiritual blessings, fruition remains in the keeping of hope, until we are divested of corruptible flesh, and transformed into the glory of him who has gone before us. Meanwhile, in leaning on the promises, we obey the command of the Holy Spirit, whose authority ought to have weight enough with us to silence all the barkings of that impure dog. We have it on the testimony of Paul, that Godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come, (1 Tim 4:8); for which reason, he glories in being an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus (2 Tim 1:1). And he elsewhere reminds us, that we have the same promises which were given to the saints in ancient time (2 Cor 7:1). In fine, he makes the sum of our felicity consist in being sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Indeed we have no enjoyment of Christ, unless by embracing him as clothed with his own promises. Hence it is that he indeed dwells in our hearts and yet we are as pilgrims in regard to him, because we walk by faith, not by sight, (2 Cor 5:6, 7). There is no inconsistency in the two thingsviz. that in Christ we possess every thing pertaining to the perfection of the heavenly life, and yet that faith is only a vision of things not seen, (Heb 11:1). Only there is this difference to be observed in the nature or quality of the promises, that the Gospel points with the finger to what the Law shadowed under types.

    Institutes of the Christian Religion.Book 2 ch 9

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    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

  • #2
    I've dealt with some hyper-preterism in the past, particularly at one point, their usage of Spurgeon to support their view. It doesn't surprise me that they're using Calvin. Do you have some examples of their use of Calvin? I would like to see which contexts they think supports their view.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by James Swan View Post
      I've dealt with some hyper-preterism in the past, particularly at one point, their usage of Spurgeon to support their view. It doesn't surprise me that they're using Calvin. Do you have some examples of their use of Calvin? I would like to see which contexts they think supports their view.
      I would think it is also important to define hyper-Preterism.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by James Swan View Post
        I've dealt with some hyper-preterism in the past, particularly at one point, their usage of Spurgeon to support their view. It doesn't surprise me that they're using Calvin. Do you have some examples of their use of Calvin? I would like to see which contexts they think supports their view.
        Tom notes

        The article simply states

        Those who think Calvinism and hyper (full) preterism are compatible reveal their complete ignorance of Calvin. Those who think Calvin would have been open to the new developments of hyperpreterists reveal their complete ignorance of Calvin and what he actually DID confront in his own day.

        Some Calvinistic Full preterists - Sam Frost come to mind later rejected Full Preterism

        Rejection of Historic creeds was one reason he left Full Preterism

        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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        • #5
          Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

          I would think it is also important to define hyper-Preterism.
          Tom notes

          Basically Hyper Preterism is Full Preterism in distinction from those who may be partial preterists
          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TomL View Post

            Tom notes

            Basically Hyper Preterism is Full Preterism in distinction from those who may be partial preterists
            That's not really defining what you consider a hyper-preterist. Full Preterist would deny being hyper-preterist

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            • #7
              Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

              That's not really defining what you consider a hyper-preterist. Full Preterist would deny being hyper-preterist
              Tom replies

              Its not my definition

              Full and hyper all refer to the same thing

              Read the article

              Full Preterism refers to a belief all prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D.

              I think you know that
              Last edited by TomL; 09-11-18, 09:29 AM.
              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TomL View Post

                Tom replies

                Its not my definition

                Full and hyper all refer to the same thing

                Read the article

                Full Preterism refers to a belief all prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D.

                I think you know that
                Full and hyper are not the same thing. Apparently you don't know that

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                  Full and hyper are not the same thing. Apparently you don't know that
                  Tom replies

                  The author of the article disagrees with you

                  Just like Wikipedia
                  Full preterism

                  Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[40][page needed] Other names of full preterism include:
                  • preterism (because the term itself means "past")
                  • consistent preterism
                  • true preterism
                  • hyper-preterism (a pejorative term used by opponents of preterists)
                  • pantelism. (The term "pantelism" comes from two Greek roots: (pan), "everything", and - (tel-), referring to completion).
                  • Covenant Eschatology
                  • Fulfilled Eschatology[41]

                  You will have to deal with them
                  Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TomL View Post

                    Tom replies

                    The author of the article disagrees with you

                    Just like Wikipedia
                    Full preterism

                    Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[40][page needed] Other names of full preterism include:
                    • preterism (because the term itself means "past")
                    • consistent preterism
                    • true preterism
                    • hyper-preterism (a pejorative term used by opponents of preterists)
                    • pantelism. (The term "pantelism" comes from two Greek roots: (pan), "everything", and - (tel-), referring to completion).
                    • Covenant Eschatology
                    • Fulfilled Eschatology[41]

                    You will have to deal with them
                    I don't care about the author. Full preterism is not hyper-preteristm.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                      I don't care about the author. Full preterism is not hyper-preteristm.
                      Tom replies

                      Well the author of the article believes what he stated applies to full Preterism

                      as he argues against the idea all prophesy had been fulfilled by 70 A.D.

                      Again read the article
                      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TomL View Post

                        Tom replies

                        Its not my definition

                        Full and hyper all refer to the same thing

                        Read the article

                        Full Preterism refers to a belief all prophesy was fulfilled by 70 A.D.

                        I think you know that
                        And full preterism is not hyper-preteristm. There are several things a hyper-preterist believes a full-preterist does not such as universalism.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                          And full preterism is not hyper-preteristm. There are several things a hyper-preterist believes a full-preterist does not such as universalism.
                          Tom replies

                          Some do make that distinctions others apparently don't

                          See previous comments

                          I have even seen where an author denies hyper Preterism includes universalism

                          Again, neither full preterism nor hyperpreterism is universalism. First of all, a hyperpreterist could not be a universalist because, according to the hyperpreterists, no one after AD 70 has eternal life. This view clearly denies universalism. After all, universalism says that all men everywhere throughout all time have or will have eternal life through any path they take.

                          In any case as noted

                          the author of the article believes what he stated applies to full Preterism

                          as he argues against the idea all prophesy had been fulfilled by 70 A.D.
                          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TomL View Post

                            Tom replies

                            Some do make that distinctions others apparently don't

                            See previous comments

                            I have even seen where an author denies hyper Preterism includes universalism

                            Again, neither full preterism nor hyperpreterism is universalism. First of all, a hyperpreterist could not be a universalist because, according to the hyperpreterists, no one after AD 70 has eternal life. This view clearly denies universalism. After all, universalism says that all men everywhere throughout all time have or will have eternal life through any path they take.

                            In any case as noted

                            the author of the article believes what he stated applies to full Preterism

                            as he argues against the idea all prophesy had been fulfilled by 70 A.D.
                            Actually it teaches everyone is saved because sin was done away with. Point being there are major points of difference between full and hyper despite your vain attempts to lump the two together.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                              Actually it teaches everyone is saved because sin was done away with. Point being there are major points of difference between full and hyper despite your vain attempts to lump the two together.
                              Tom replies

                              That is not what the article states

                              Again, neither full preterism nor hyperpreterism is universalism. First of all, a hyperpreterist could not be a universalist because, according to the hyperpreterists, no one after AD 70 has eternal life. This view clearly denies universalism. After all, universalism says that all men everywhere throughout all time have or will have eternal life through any path they take

                              As noted there are various views on this issue

                              and again it was the author who linked them not me

                              Those who think Calvinism and hyper (full) preterism are compatible reveal their complete ignorance of Calvin.
                              For a guy who claims to be undecided why do you show so much concern

                              However if you want to erase hyper from his words I am ok with it

                              Those who think Calvinism and full preterism are compatible reveal their complete ignorance of Calvin.

                              Tell me being reformed do you view the creeds as a standard of unity ?

                              If so which ones ?
                              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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