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    Full preterist view the last days as a period of time encompassing 70 A.D.

    It is a relatively short period of time

    Dispensationalists view the last days also as a short period of time just before the second advent of Christ

    As one who had spent a good deal of my early Christian life in somewhat dispensational churches it was drilled into me that

    We are living in the last days

    upon leaving dispensationalism their teaching about the last days was soon forgotten

    However A little book "Why I left Full Preterism" by Sam Frost

    has lead me to a new insight in this matter

    Rather than a short period of time the bible shows the last days to be a long period of time which not only

    encompasses the first advent of Christ but extends all the way down to today and beyond

    and includes both the last days of the full preterist and the last days of the dispensationalist

    Our first text is

    Acts 2:17-39 (KJV)
    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
    24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
    25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
    26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
    27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
    29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
    31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
    32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
    34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    In the last days the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh

    this promise of the poured out spirit as verse 39 states

    is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,

    even
    as many as the Lord our God shall call.


    These would be the last days

    Obviously they extend beyond 70 A.D. and are a long period of time

    as the lord is still calling and the spirit still being poured out

    Our second text would be

    Isaiah 2:2-4 (NIV2011)
    2 In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
    3 Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
    4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

    and the parallel

    Micah 4:1-4 (NIV2011)
    1

    In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
    2 Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
    3 He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
    4 Everyone will sit under their own vine and under their own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid, for the LORD Almighty has spoken.

    obviously this did not happen in 70 AD

    Nations had not beat their swords into plowshares and still had trained for war.

    All nations had not streamed into the mountain of the lords temple

    No

    The last days were not a relatively short period of time circa 70 A.D.

    but a long period of time which continues today until it climaxes in the physical

    return of Christ and the universal judgment of the last day
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

  • #2
    Originally posted by TomL View Post
    Full preterist view the last days as a period of time encompassing 70 A.D.

    It is a relatively short period of time

    Dispensationalists view the last days also as a short period of time just before the second advent of Christ

    As one who had spent a good deal of my early Christian life in somewhat dispensational churches it was drilled into me that

    We are living in the last days

    upon leaving dispensationalism their teaching about the last days was soon forgotten

    However A little book "Why I left Full Preterism" by Sam Frost

    has lead me to a new insight in this matter

    Rather than a short period of time the bible shows the last days to be a long period of time which not only

    encompasses the first advent of Christ but extends all the way down to today and beyond

    and includes both the last days of the full preterist and the last days of the dispensationalist

    Our first text is

    Acts 2:17-39 (KJV)
    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
    24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
    25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
    26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
    27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
    29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
    31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
    32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
    34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    In the last days the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh

    this promise of the poured out spirit as verse 39 states

    is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,

    even
    as many as the Lord our God shall call.


    These would be the last days

    Obviously they extend beyond 70 A.D. and are a long period of time

    as the lord is still calling and the spirit still being poured out

    Our second text would be

    Isaiah 2:2-4 (NIV2011)
    2 In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
    3 Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
    4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

    and the parallel

    Micah 4:1-4 (NIV2011)
    1

    In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
    2 Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
    3 He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
    4 Everyone will sit under their own vine and under their own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid, for the LORD Almighty has spoken.

    obviously this did not happen in 70 AD

    Nations had not beat their swords into plowshares and still had trained for war.

    All nations had not streamed into the mountain of the lords temple

    No

    The last days were not a relatively short period of time circa 70 A.D.

    but a long period of time which continues today until it climaxes in the physical

    return of Christ and the universal judgment of the last day
    …..................................

    Based on the above

    If the last days are in fact an extended period of time extending to our day and beyond

    cotemporaneous with the continuation of remission of sin and the giving of the spirit to those who repent and believe,

    then the last day in the series of the last days could not possibly bear any reference to a 70 A.D. event
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TomL View Post

      …..................................

      Based on the above

      If the last days are in fact an extended period of time extending to our day and beyond

      cotemporaneous with the continuation of remission of sin and the giving of the spirit to those who repent and believe,

      then the last day in the series of the last days could not possibly bear any reference to a 70 A.D. event
      Bump
      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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