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  • TomL
    started a topic Physical Resurrection proven

    Physical Resurrection proven

    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV)
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    God had raised Jesus from the dead

    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died

    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption

    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

    Abraham was willing to offer up his own son, Abraham reasoned God was able to raise his son up from the dead
    That is if Abrahams son had physically died , Abraham believed God was able to restore physical life to his son's dead body

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    John 12:1 (KJV)
    1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
    John 12:9 (KJV)
    9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
    John 12:17 (KJV)
    17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

    In the narrative of Lazarus being raised from the dead ; Lazarus Martha's brother had died. Martha distraught told Jesus if you were here my brother would not have died. Jesus told Martha her brother would live again. Martha affirned her belief that he would indeed rise again at the resurrection on the last day.

    Jesus tells Martha

    John 11:40-44 (KJV)
    40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    Jesus caused life to be returned to the physical body of Lazarus

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Now all that is needed is to define a key element of resurrection as seen in

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body

  • TomL
    replied
    Originally posted by TomL View Post
    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV)
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    God had raised Jesus from the dead

    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died

    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption

    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

    Abraham was willing to offer up his own son, Abraham reasoned God was able to raise his son up from the dead
    That is if Abrahams son had physically died , Abraham believed God was able to restore physical life to his son's dead body

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    John 12:1 (KJV)
    1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
    John 12:9 (KJV)
    9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
    John 12:17 (KJV)
    17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

    In the narrative of Lazarus being raised from the dead ; Lazarus Martha's brother had died. Martha distraught told Jesus if you were here my brother would not have died. Jesus told Martha her brother would live again. Martha affirned her belief that he would indeed rise again at the resurrection on the last day.

    Jesus tells Martha

    John 11:40-44 (KJV)
    40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    Jesus caused life to be returned to the physical body of Lazarus

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Now all that is needed is to define a key element of resurrection as seen in

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body
    Bumpy bumpy Noble

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  • TomL
    replied
    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

    I did read your original OP and your so called proof texts of which your now avoiding. Typical

    I am undecided and you make good points. Your just a little over zealous for my tastes. There is no reason these things cannot be discussed in a reasonable adult manner.
    Tom replies

    I have not avoided anything

    That claim is absolutely false

    and I what I stated in my last response to you was the same as what I told you in my first response and the same thing which appeared in my initial post

    PS they are not so called proof text they are proof texts

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  • reformedguy
    replied
    Originally posted by TomL View Post

    Tom replies

    Did you read ?

    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV) 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,
    nowno more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    35 Wherefore he saith also in another
    psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    God had raised Jesus from the dead

    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died

    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption

    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    No your argument does not stand

    The very first proof text speaks of Jesus resurrection

    You stated all had died again

    That was incorrect

    second as explained earlier the initial effort was to determine the meaning of the phrase raised from the dead

    It was determined that it refers to a physical raising of the body

    then resurrection was defined as including a raising from the dead

    For someone who claims to be undecided you sure appear partisan and resistant to any evidence contrary to full Preterism

    to the point even the obvious is overlooked

    Something to consider
    I did read your original OP and your so called proof texts of which your now avoiding. Typical

    I am undecided and you make good points. Your just a little over zealous for my tastes. There is no reason these things cannot be discussed in a reasonable adult manner.

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  • TomL
    replied
    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

    No one said Jesus did die again did they?? My point stands. Those who were brought back to life in your so called proof texts ended up dieing again. Tell me, when Christ called Lazarus out of the grave was that his glorified body?
    Tom replies

    Did you read ?

    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV) 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,
    nowno more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    35 Wherefore he saith also in another
    psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    God had raised Jesus from the dead

    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died

    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption

    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    No your argument does not stand

    The very first proof text speaks of Jesus resurrection

    You stated all had died again

    That was incorrect

    second as explained earlier the initial effort was to determine the meaning of the phrase raised from the dead

    It was determined that it refers to a physical raising of the body

    then resurrection was defined as including a raising from the dead

    For someone who claims to be undecided you sure appear partisan and resistant to any evidence contrary to full Preterism

    to the point even the obvious is overlooked

    Something to consider

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  • reformedguy
    replied
    Originally posted by TomL View Post

    Tom replies

    LOL what is that if not mocking ?

    No Jesus did not die again

    and that would be irrelevant to the issue of determining what rising from the dead means and then use it to define resurrection

    From the op

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body (that would be defining)

    Now all that is needed
    is to define a key element of resurrection
    as seen in

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body


    It quite clearly was stated why did you not see it ?
    No one said Jesus did die again did they?? My point stands. Those who were brought back to life in your so called proof texts ended up dieing again. Tell me, when Christ called Lazarus out of the grave was that his glorified body?

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  • TomL
    replied
    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

    Umm... how was it mocking? They did die again did they not? And it does not say anything about defining anything. There narratives. Where do you get your glasses to see what you want to see?
    Tom replies

    LOL what is that if not mocking ?

    No Jesus did not die again

    and that would be irrelevant to the issue of determining what rising from the dead means and then use it to define resurrection

    From the op

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body (that would be defining)

    Now all that is needed
    is to define a key element of resurrection
    as seen in

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body


    It quite clearly was stated why did you not see it ?

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  • reformedguy
    replied
    Originally posted by TomL View Post

    Tom replies

    You need to carefully consider what is being stated before posting an obviously hasty mocking reply

    First the very first citation refers to Jesus being raised from the dead . He did not die again

    Second what was done in all three examples was to define what rising from the dead refers to

    after that was established the relation between resurrection and raising from the dead was discussed and it was noted resurrection includes a raising from the dead and is thus physical

    The point is resurrection involves a physical body

    Nothing you state touches that



    …............................................. ..

    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV)
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,
    now
    no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    35 Wherefore he saith also in another
    psalm
    , Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    God had raised Jesus from the dead
    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died
    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption
    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption
    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body


    Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten
    son
    ,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God
    was
    able to raise
    him
    up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
    Abraham was willing to offer up his own son, Abraham reasoned God was able to raise his son up from the dead
    That is if Abrahams son had physically died , Abraham believed God was able to restore physical life to his son's dead body



    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    John 12:1 (KJV)
    1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

    John 12:9 (KJV)
    9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

    John 12:17 (KJV)
    17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
    In the narrative of Lazarus being raised from the dead ; Lazarus Martha's brother had died. Martha distraught told Jesus if you were here my brother would not have died. Jesus told Martha her brother would live again. Martha affirned her belief that he would indeed rise again at the resurrection on the last day.
    Jesus tells Martha


    John 11:40-44 (KJV)
    40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    41 Then they took away the stone
    from the place
    where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up
    his
    eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said
    it
    , that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
    Jesus caused life to be returned to the physical body of Lazarus



    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body
    Now all that is needed is to define a key element of resurrection as seen in


    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body
    Umm... how was it mocking? They did die again did they not? And it does not say anything about defining anything. There narratives. Where do you get your glasses to see what you want to see?

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  • TomL
    replied
    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

    Lol, all the examples given of those brought back to life would eventually die again. Only to be re-resurrected?
    Tom replies

    You need to carefully consider what is being stated before posting an obviously hasty mocking reply

    First the very first citation refers to Jesus being raised from the dead . He did not die again

    Second what was done in all three examples was to define what rising from the dead refers to

    after that was established the relation between resurrection and raising from the dead was discussed and it was noted resurrection includes a raising from the dead and is thus physical

    The point is resurrection involves a physical body

    Nothing you state touches that



    …............................................. ..

    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV)
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead,
    now
    no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    35 Wherefore he saith also in another
    psalm
    , Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    God had raised Jesus from the dead
    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died
    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption
    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption
    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body


    Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten
    son
    ,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God
    was
    able to raise
    him
    up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
    Abraham was willing to offer up his own son, Abraham reasoned God was able to raise his son up from the dead
    That is if Abrahams son had physically died , Abraham believed God was able to restore physical life to his son's dead body



    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    John 12:1 (KJV)
    1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

    John 12:9 (KJV)
    9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

    John 12:17 (KJV)
    17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
    In the narrative of Lazarus being raised from the dead ; Lazarus Martha's brother had died. Martha distraught told Jesus if you were here my brother would not have died. Jesus told Martha her brother would live again. Martha affirned her belief that he would indeed rise again at the resurrection on the last day.
    Jesus tells Martha


    John 11:40-44 (KJV)
    40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    41 Then they took away the stone
    from the place
    where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up
    his
    eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said
    it
    , that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
    Jesus caused life to be returned to the physical body of Lazarus



    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body
    Now all that is needed is to define a key element of resurrection as seen in


    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Leave a comment:


  • reformedguy
    replied
    Originally posted by TomL View Post
    Acts 13:33-35 (KJV)
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    God had raised Jesus from the dead

    It was not his spirit that was raised for it had not died

    We are told in verse 34 that raising Jesus up from the dead prevented Christ from returning to corruption

    This obviously refers to the body as only the body see decay and corruption

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV)
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

    Abraham was willing to offer up his own son, Abraham reasoned God was able to raise his son up from the dead
    That is if Abrahams son had physically died , Abraham believed God was able to restore physical life to his son's dead body

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    John 12:1 (KJV)
    1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
    John 12:9 (KJV)
    9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
    John 12:17 (KJV)
    17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

    In the narrative of Lazarus being raised from the dead ; Lazarus Martha's brother had died. Martha distraught told Jesus if you were here my brother would not have died. Jesus told Martha her brother would live again. Martha affirned her belief that he would indeed rise again at the resurrection on the last day.

    Jesus tells Martha

    John 11:40-44 (KJV)
    40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
    41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
    42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
    43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
    44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    Jesus caused life to be returned to the physical body of Lazarus

    In this passage the phrase raised up from the dead refers to the return of life to a physical body

    Now all that is needed is to define a key element of resurrection as seen in

    1 Corinthians 15:12-13 (KJV)
    12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

    resurrection in this context involves being raised from the dead a phrase which refers to the return of life to a physical body
    Lol, all the examples given of those brought back to life would eventually die again. Only to be re-resurrected?

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