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The Pret Conundrum

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  • The Pret Conundrum

    When it comes to defending and proving his doctrine, Prets is trapped between stone and solid. There is a huge gap between the preparatory doctrine (all and part) and reality / history. Prets tried to bridge this gap using an excuse such as “Jesus’s words in the Bible are figurative / symbolic. However, the ARTISTIC incarnation in many prophecies of Jesus made this justification false.

    The problem with pretas is that, as Christians, they know better than they lie.

  • #2
    We could dismiss preterism as just some silly doctrine dreamed up by some juveniles, except it harms Christianity in three ways:

    1.) Full preterism cheapens and denies the future return of Jesus by falsely telling us it's already occurred.

    2.) Partial preterism tries to make a liar out of Jesus in Matt. 24:29-30 by saying the great trib has already happened, where in those Scriptures, Jesus says He'll return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the trib. So, if it's already occurred, then Jesus is long-overdue!

    3.) It casts doubt upon God's word by trying to reduce a good portion of it to "figurative/symbolic" status. ONLY GOD can do that! It's HIS word! And, where symbolism is used, such as in Rev. 17, God's angel gives its explanation of what literal things it symbolizes. However, NONE of Jesus' Olivet Discourse is symbolic.

    And Josephus saw/heard chariots in the sky above Jerusalem? Funny, none of the Romans with him saw/heard them, nor did any of the hundreds of thousands of Jews in & around Jerusalem! Josephus was writing to entertain Vespasian, not to record history.

    Simple TRUTH is, the eschatological events are yet to occur, and preterism is false!

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      Originally posted by roby3 View Post
      We could dismiss preterism as just some silly doctrine dreamed up by some juveniles, except it harms Christianity in three ways:

      1.) Full preterism cheapens and denies the future return of Jesus by falsely telling us it's already occurred.

      2.) Partial preterism tries to make a liar out of Jesus in Matt. 24:29-30 by saying the great trib has already happened, where in those Scriptures, Jesus says He'll return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the trib. So, if it's already occurred, then Jesus is long-overdue!

      3.) It casts doubt upon God's word by trying to reduce a good portion of it to "figurative/symbolic" status. ONLY GOD can do that! It's HIS word! And, where symbolism is used, such as in Rev. 17, God's angel gives its explanation of what literal things it symbolizes. However, NONE of Jesus' Olivet Discourse is symbolic.

      And Josephus saw/heard chariots in the sky above Jerusalem? Funny, none of the Romans with him saw/heard them, nor did any of the hundreds of thousands of Jews in & around Jerusalem! Josephus was writing to entertain Vespasian, not to record history.

      Simple TRUTH is, the eschatological events are yet to occur, and preterism is false!
      1) we actually take Him at His word

      2) He did say the great tribulation would happen during their lifetime. This generation I believe He said.

      3) Some things are figurative in scripture.

      4) Could you provide documentation that Joseph us was writing merely to entertain Vespasian???

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