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  • #16
    Originally posted by AlFin View Post

    Faith isn't a matter of doing, it's a matter of confidence in God, being fully persuaded that what he said, he will do.
    Then let me rephrase the question. If a person fulfils all the things mentioned in a previous post of yours, is healing guaranteed ?
    Phynerk
    " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

      Then let me rephrase the question. If a person fulfils all the things mentioned in a previous post of yours, is healing guaranteed ?
      According to the promises of God, yes.

      Apparently you disagree. In your estimation, under what conditions would God not heal any of the people I gave as examples in post #10?
      Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

      Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AlFin View Post

        According to the promises of God, yes.

        Apparently you disagree. In your estimation, under what conditions would God not heal any of the people I gave as examples in post #10?
        Because of the many times we may think we have the faith but it is NOT God's will. You have got to balance Mark 11:22 with 1 John 5:14. Answered prayer is not a "successful completion" of some preconceived list of do's and don'ts.
        Phynerk
        " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

          Because of the many times we may think we have the faith but it is NOT God's will. You have got to balance Mark 11:22 with 1 John 5:14. Answered prayer is not a "successful completion" of some preconceived list of do's and don'ts.
          Why do Atheist, criminals, Muslims, hateful dictators, Buddhist, etc., get healed from illnesses, diseases and injuries? They have no faith in YHWH.
          Last edited by Tallen; 04-16-18, 03:31 PM.
          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

            Why do Atheist, criminals, Muslims, hateful dictators, Buddhist, etc., get healed from illnesses, diseases and injuries? They have no faith in YHWH.
            You are exactly right. Why did Lazarus get raised from the dead? He certainly didn't " exercise " faith nor have some sort of good confession. There were several folk in the NT that were healed that didn't have any faith.
            Phynerk
            " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

              You are exactly right. Why did Lazarus get raised from the dead? He certainly didn't " exercise " faith nor have some sort of good confession. There were several folk in the NT that were healed that didn't have any faith.
              And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
              Acts 9:1*-‬5 KJV
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #22
                Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                Yes !!! If not here it will happen when you get to Heaven.
                Bump for Phynerk. So do you agree or disagree with my comment?
                Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

                  Because of the many times we may think we have the faith but it is NOT God's will.
                  How do you determine what is God's will?
                  Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                  Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                    How do you determine what is God's will?
                    Honestly, speaking only for myself, His will is not always completely known.
                    Phynerk
                    " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                      Bump for Phynerk. So do you agree or disagree with my comment?
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                      Yes !!! If not here it will happen when you get to Heaven.
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post



                      I won't bother answering since you ended it with a winky face I just thought, as usual, you were just kidding
                      Phynerk
                      " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

                        You are exactly right. Why did Lazarus get raised from the dead? He certainly didn't " exercise " faith nor have some sort of good confession. There were several folk in the NT that were healed that didn't have any faith.
                        Luke 7:11-15
                        11 Soon afterward, Jesus went to a town called Nain, and his disciples and a large crowd went along with him. 12 As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. 13 When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, "Don't cry."

                        14 Then he went up and touched the coffin, and those carrying it stood still. He said, "Young man, I say to you, get up!" 15 The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.
                        NIV

                        This person and Lazarus weren't sick, they were dead. Neither of these were able to exercise any faith; they were raised by Jesus' compassion. He still has compassion. And we are also to have compassion.

                        We who have the written word of God must learn and use it to build our faith. All of God's promises are powerful and effective to those who know them and are willing to exercise them with faith.
                        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                          Luke 7:11-15
                          11 Soon afterward, Jesus went to a town called Nain, and his disciples and a large crowd went along with him. 12 As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out — the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. 13 When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, "Don't cry."

                          14 Then he went up and touched the coffin, and those carrying it stood still. He said, "Young man, I say to you, get up!" 15 The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.
                          NIV

                          This person and Lazarus weren't sick, they were dead. Neither of these were able to exercise any faith; they were raised by Jesus' compassion. He still has compassion. And we are also to have compassion.

                          We who have the written word of God must learn and use it to build our faith. All of God's promises are powerful and effective to those who know them and are willing to exercise them with faith.
                          I didn't mean to split hairs with you over dead vs. sick. What I was trying to say was that there are several instances in the NT where SICK people are healed without the use of any of their faith.
                          Phynerk
                          " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Phynerk View Post





                            I won't bother answering since you ended it with a winky face I just thought, as usual, you were just kidding
                            No problem. Its what I was expecting from the critics corner.
                            Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

                              I didn't mean to split hairs with you over dead vs. sick. What I was trying to say was that there are several instances in the NT where SICK people are healed without the use of any of their faith.
                              Just because Scripture doesn't specifically mention their faith, it still took faith in God to get healed. An example would be the cripple at the Pool of Bethsaida (John 5). The account of this healing by Jesus makes no specific mention of the man's faith (although, his being at the pool presupposed some measure of faith).

                              Since Scripture states in Heb 11:6, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.", the recipient of the healing or miracle must have had faith whether or not it's mentioned.
                              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by AlFin View Post
                                Just because Scripture doesn't specifically mention their faith, it still took faith in God to get healed. An example would be the cripple at the Pool of Bethsaida (John 5). The account of this healing by Jesus makes no specific mention of the man's faith (although, his being at the pool presupposed some measure of faith).
                                The man with the withered hand was just standing around when the Lord decided to show His Glory by healing this fellow. No mention of him having faith; unless you just want to read that into the verse by by pure presumption. Compared to this man I have seen serious WoF leaders confess, believe, exercise faith and NEVER receive their healing which blows your following logic away:
                                Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                                Since Scripture states in Heb 11:6, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.", the recipient of the healing or miracle must have had faith whether or not it's mentioned.
                                Phynerk
                                " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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