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What is a faith healer?

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  • afaithfulone4u
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    I don't know what all the hub-bub is about.. lets just let the Word of God speak for it's self and not lean on our own understanding:

    James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

    15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

    16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
    KJV

    It is apparent that a faith healer is anyone whom has matured and has faith IN GOD, and not self to receive their healing. And if you have a sickness due to sin, Confess it as such and REPENT... We are never told to run to a physician to see what he can do the hide the side effects of the disease or sickness..
    Then go, and sin no more. It is not man who God expects us to look to for healing... But HIM taking HIS Word(Jesus) by Faith as our Truth to live by!

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  • Tallen
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    Originally posted by jeremiah1five View Post
    Demons are human attitudes.
    Huh!?!

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  • jeremiah1five
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    Demons are human attitudes.

    Saw the video. Was curious. I never accepted/received as genuine what these so-called faith-healers taught.


    John 8:43 (KJV) 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.




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  • Beloved Daughter
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    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
    Jesus was never offended why you?
    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil (demons) in the heavenly realms.
    Did you forget that Jesus threw things and lashed out people in the temple?

    Matthew 21:12 ESV

    And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons.

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  • Beloved Daughter
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    Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

    Beloved, the only exposure I have had with Walter Martin was his book 'Kingdom of the Cults' and several tapes where he debated JW's and Mormons. I never had any idea what his background was. It seemed he was solid when it came to apologetics. From your post, would you put him in the Charismatic camp ?

    Thanks
    I can't speak for Dr. Martin on all of his beliefs. He never struck me as a charismatic. His time there was fairly short and he traveled often. I can't even say whether he was a member. Perhaps I can get ahold of my mom and she can give me her impressions. There were no open displays of speaking in tongues, etc, during services. Dr. Martin was one of the early men to criticize people such as Copeland, but did not speak out against the continuist view of the spiritual gifts. He did a lot of teaching at Melodyland in the1970's. I was a very young child.

    Like you, I believe he was a solid apologetic.

    As with all things, money and power corrupt. Melodyland committed suicide by following the money instead of the Maker.

    Here is a link that follows Melodyland from its infancy to its demise. Of note they mention Dr. Walter Martin.

    http://www.ministers-best-friend.com...an-Center.html

    An excerpt:
    Melodyland School of Theology (MST) was a
    theological seminary college level school and had on its staff Walter Martin,
    who was also known as the Bible Answer Man and head of CRI (the Christian Research Institute), John Warwick Montgomery noted Christian apologist and lawyer, Dr. John Rea (noted Old Testament scholar and an editor of the New International Version of the Bible). The first president of the school was Dr. J. Rodman Williams (Charismatic Theologian, author of a Systematic Theology). He was succeeded by Dr. John Hurston in 1981. There was also a branch of the school dedicated to Socal Work. The school granted MDiv. and MSW degrees. Although the school struggled to acquire accredidation through major regional accrediting associations, they were never quite able to reach this goal. However as the forerunner of Charismatic scholarship, the school influenced other institutions, especially Regent University in Virginia Beach. At its height, MST drew students from all over the globe. MST was re-named Anaheim Christian School of Theology (A.C.T.S.) in 1981. MST closed in the mid-80's, but still has an active alumni base.[edit] Anaheim Christian College
    Last edited by Beloved Daughter; 07-01-18, 12:17 AM.

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  • Tallen
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    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
    Absolutely not.
    Then why all the angst, criticism and being offended through your gossip about the "critics"?

    BTW, when you spend so much time criticizing people, doesn't that make you a critic?

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  • spokenword
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    Originally posted by Tallen View Post

    You offended?
    Absolutely not.

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  • Tallen
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    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
    You got it wrong.The strife is already here in the critics camp..
    You offended?

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  • spokenword
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    Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

    Beloved, this is what empowers our resident troll. Don't give him the time, joy, or prodding to stir up strife.
    Blessings
    I am glad you are here!
    You got it wrong.The strife is already here in the critics camp..

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  • Phynerk
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    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
    Jesus was never offended why you?
    Beloved, this is what empowers our resident troll. Don't give him the time, joy, or prodding to stir up strife.
    Blessings
    I am glad you are here!

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  • spokenword
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    Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

    Here's a thought. I consider this post to be a personal attack. Please don't do it again. You can say you don't like my theology, my beliefs, my logic, etc. But never again accuse me of demon hunting
    Jesus was never offended why you?
    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil (demons) in the heavenly realms.
    Last edited by spokenword; 06-30-18, 12:54 PM.

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  • Mikey1967
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    I again caution us in regard to zeal, “against” condemning an entire group of people. While I am no WoF apologist in any way, I see people arguing from two different starting points that is simply semantics. Yet the arguments do not take into account the definitions of people’s perspectives. Each of you have real valid points but it behooves us not paint everyone with a broad brush. For example: the strange fire conference that was referenced. I lost all respect for MacArthur due to this conference and his assertion that anyone who believed that God healed through people today was not worshiping the Jesus of the Bible. If that is his belief then he just branded the vast majority of Christians, including those on this board as not being saved.

    So so let’s be careful because if a babe in Christ saw what we have been writing without knowing the person or context, we are liable to cause them to stumble.

    Just a thought.

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  • Phynerk
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    Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

    When I was young, my mom attended Melodyland Christian Center. It was located just across from Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. It was there that I met Walter Martin. After about three years my mom said we would no longer go there. She had been to one of their 'healing' conferences and saw the trickery right in front of her.


    God Speed
    Beloved, the only exposure I have had with Walter Martin was his book 'Kingdom of the Cults' and several tapes where he debated JW's and Mormons. I never had any idea what his background was. It seemed he was solid when it came to apologetics. From your post, would you put him in the Charismatic camp ?

    Thanks

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  • Tallen
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    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

    BINGO!! in "TOXIC Word of Faith" operations it's ALWAYS the victim's fault when what they profess doesn't happen.

    he "WoF" answer to that will be: "Well, then you think it's GOD'S FAULT, then". Of course it's nobody's fault, anf there was never ANY "FAITH" at all anywhere, just "Presumption, and Superheated "Hope". The CHarlatan told 'em that "FAITH" was something that it WASN'T, and they followed the "Methodology", and pretended to have what they NEVER HAD AT ALL.



    EXACTLY - Paul wanted OUT of the situation, but GOD KNEW that staying in it was the better choice for Romans 8:28-32 to be true.



    Derek Prince once said that his "ENEMIES" didn't bother him very much, but it was his "IMITATORS" that really scared him.

    There was an operation called the "GLORY BARN" in Warsaw Indiana in the '70s, and Hobart Freeman was the leader there. It was WoF at a level that NOBODY would dare to attempt these days. Members had to get rid of ALL their insurances (including Automobile) because it taught DOUBT, and were NOT PERMITTED to ever seek Medical assistance, or take medicine including over the counter stuff, since GOD was their healer, and the medical profession taught Doubt. There were actual and VERY NOTABLE Miracles that happened there, BUT the Body count (mostly infants and their mothers) exceeded 100 by the time that Hobart Himself was killed by an easily treatable infection that "God had already healed him of".

    The "Prosperity" Gospel will only fleece you out of "Possessions", but when TOXIC WoF starts being trusted for MEDICAL ISSUES, then people die (and, of course it'll be ALL THEIR FAULT)..
    Like Bob said, it's the children that pay for this when the parents are "in faith" believing God for their childrens healing. Some how this toxic wofism effects love and people become legalistic and unloving in the process. It's an interesting process to watch as the cult mentality takes root and affects the mind.

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

    Bob, I understand what you are saying. Jesus still heals, I am talking about the charlatans and greedy people who say they have healed someone. And when it's clear they didn't heal them, they blame the victim for not having enough faith.
    BINGO!! in "TOXIC Word of Faith" operations it's ALWAYS the victim's fault when what they profess doesn't happen.

    he "WoF" answer to that will be: "Well, then you think it's GOD'S FAULT, then". Of course it's nobody's fault, anf there was never ANY "FAITH" at all anywhere, just "Presumption, and Superheated "Hope". The CHarlatan told 'em that "FAITH" was something that it WASN'T, and they followed the "Methodology", and pretended to have what they NEVER HAD AT ALL.

    God chose not to heal Paul's "thorn in the side". Paul was instead told "My grace is sufficient for you.
    EXACTLY - Paul wanted OUT of the situation, but GOD KNEW that staying in it was the better choice for Romans 8:28-32 to be true.

    When I was young, my mom attended Melodyland Christian Center. It was located just across from Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. It was there that I met Walter Martin. After about three years my mom said we would no longer go there. She had been to one of their 'healing' conferences and saw the trickery right in front of her.

    Jesus and divine healing are not the problem. The liars are, as they prey upon those who are sincerely hurting.
    Derek Prince once said that his "ENEMIES" didn't bother him very much, but it was his "IMITATORS" that really scared him.

    There was an operation called the "GLORY BARN" in Warsaw Indiana in the '70s, and Hobart Freeman was the leader there. It was WoF at a level that NOBODY would dare to attempt these days. Members had to get rid of ALL their insurances (including Automobile) because it taught DOUBT, and were NOT PERMITTED to ever seek Medical assistance, or take medicine including over the counter stuff, since GOD was their healer, and the medical profession taught Doubt. There were actual and VERY NOTABLE Miracles that happened there, BUT the Body count (mostly infants and their mothers) exceeded 100 by the time that Hobart Himself was killed by an easily treatable infection that "God had already healed him of".

    The "Prosperity" Gospel will only fleece you out of "Possessions", but when TOXIC WoF starts being trusted for MEDICAL ISSUES, then people die (and, of course it'll be ALL THEIR FAULT)..

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