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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tallen View Post

    I can tell you how I determined it was fake..., it was based in horrible theology, hyped up miracles without verification, people that was claimed to be healed and was still sick, lying about miracles, claims of raising the dead and no raised dead, and on and on.
    Exactly
    Phynerk
    " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

      Amen! We shouldn't have to untangle the post to see who said what and to whom they are talking.
      You dont have to. Just stop ready my posts if you like.

      Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by spokenword View Post
        You dont have to. Just stop ready my posts if you like.
        I wonder if you stop ready your own posts.

        Bwaaahahahahaha!!!
        ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Tallen View Post

          I wonder if you stop ready your own posts.

          Bwaaahahahahaha!!!
          Too bad he doesn't stop righty his posts.
          Phynerk
          " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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          • #20
            Originally posted by spokenword View Post
            You dont have to. Just stop ready my posts if you like.
            No, I don't have to but I'm going to keep on reading and refuting what you say.
            It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

            Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

              No, I don't have to but I'm going to keep on reading and refuting what you say.
              What's hilarious is that a person that is so concerned with what others say and condemns and dinegrates them, is so careless and negligent with his own words. An absolute hoot for someone with his handle.
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AlFin View Post
                I practically grew up in Presbyterian churches. I left in my early teen years because I wasn't getting anything out of it. When I was in my 30's I started looking for a church. I wanted a church where God was evident. I tried a Baptist church, but didn't see any explicit evidence of God there so I left. In 1982 I went to a WoF church. There I saw happening what the early church had happening, and the second service I gave my life to Christ and was born again. In 1985 I started going to another WoF church that was closer to where I lived, and have been there ever since.

                This thinking person who has seen God's presence in his WoF church isn't going anywhere else.
                The point YP is making is that the wofist, in this forum, are ineffective and not able to convincingly win people into wof..., while many who have come to the forum have been convinced to leave or avoid it. Your posts are a good example. Your not winning people over to wof, just treading water with ineffective posts that demonstrate misuse and misunderstanding scripture often taken out of context and presupposition read into them. Especially when you are met with folks familiar with wofism and can address it's errors with good theology and well thought out rebuttals. Most thinking people can easily recognize wof hermeneutics and see the abuse and error they produce. YP was pointing this out, and gave some good examples of folks that have done what he said. Even one wof book author and wof doctor that left shortly after coming to the forum. Many others, even a Rehma graduate and personal friend of the Hagins, who came here with an open mind and desire for truth.

                So..., I'm hoping that, as a thinking person as you claim, you will be open to examining your own presuppositions with reasonable and rational discussions of scripture. So far, you haven't been up to that task all the time.
                ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                  No, I don't have to but I'm going to keep on reading and refuting what you say.
                  I can see that you are not teachable.I see alot of pride.

                  Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                    I can see that you are not teachable.I see alot of pride.
                    You need to get your crystal ball repaired.
                    Phynerk
                    " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                      I can see that you are not teachable.I see alot of pride.
                      Is name calling helping your case any?


                      You really shouldn't make such statements, when I and others here, have refuted you over and over. You don't know how to use your Bible. Now do you have anything to add to the conversation?

                      Something that pertains to the OP?
                      It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                      Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

                        You need to get your crystal ball repaired.
                        How much will you charge me?
                        Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by beloved daughter View Post

                          is name calling helping your case any?


                          You really shouldn't make such statements, when i and others here, have refuted you over and over. You don't know how to use your bible. Now do you have anything to add to the conversation?

                          Something that pertains to the op?
                          tfytc,s

                          Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                            The point YP is making is that the wofist, in this forum, are ineffective and not able to convincingly win people into wof..., while many who have come to the forum have been convinced to leave or avoid it. Your posts are a good example. Your not winning people over to wof, just treading water with ineffective posts that demonstrate misuse and misunderstanding scripture often taken out of context and presupposition read into them. Especially when you are met with folks familiar with wofism and can address it's errors with good theology and well thought out rebuttals.
                            You were talking to this other poster but who ever said with any movement or group there can be nothing to criticize? Of course there is or could be. All I know is the basic concepts of prayer and knowing my authority in Christ truly did change my life from being a Christian living in much defeat and discouragement to walking in the power of God victorious. You claim a great many people leave Word of Faith concepts, teachings and beliefs. I have a difficult time even putting it that way for I'd have to know exactly what beliefs we're talking about, but the general beliefs that are put forth about the difference between hope and faith and how to function in prayer I've never really seen too many people depart from it at all.

                            I think there's various slip ups and gaffes some ministries make through time. Like teaching for example on the 100 Fold return. One can't say Jesus didn't teach on that for IT IS in the scripture!
                            Mark 10: 31 It has to mean something. Or when Jesus said give and it shall be given unto you good measure, pressed down shaken together and running over. Luke 6:38 That has to mean something as well. Does it mean everything all word of faith preacher might say? Perhaps not. But I think they mean a great deal more than what the general believer is being told they mean from what we can call traditional ministries.
                            Last edited by Rockson; 07-18-18, 10:18 AM.

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                            • #29
                              To give a testimony and not sure if you people would even receive it or not but I'll share....my wife and I were going to sell our house. Unknown to me at the time but I now see the Lord stopped us from doing it to a more appropriate time. Our daughter got a notice to leave a rented place as her landlord was moving in. Our neighbor next door told us she could rent their house...right next door to us. (that I take as God stopping us from moving right then)That caused us to hold off a year in selling so we could spend and enjoy some close time with her. Nine months later a real estate bubble occurred and our home value shot through the roof.

                              Our home was now worth about twice the amount it was the year prior! Well we sold and bought a new home that was to be constructed a few towns away at half the price and it knocked off all my mortgage and debt I had at the other place and now mortgage FREE. Oh one ore thing. After we sold our house and after we got our closing check the government just weeks later took measures to cool down the market. The value of the home we sold dropped about 70K. Fortunately the one who bought it said they didn't mind for they had sold high too so it was all relative to them.Well we had to wait about a year for the new house to be built so we had to rent somewhere in our city.

                              Problem is though....every place, I mean every place will only rent if you sign a one year lease! Well we didn't need a house for 12 months....we needed it for only 9 and we had to have this rental in 30 days....but we get a call from our agent who is all excited and she tells us she has a personal friend who flips houses doesn't rent them....and he said he'd rent one to us for the exact same period...9 months. For him it had to do with taxation. He wanted to sell this particular house in a different tax year. So we got our house to rent and it was great. Well the day we moved into our new house that was built our neighbors informed us that you know when you bought your lot and house to be built ...since then the builder has raised the base price up for other buyers 90K.They let us know that you really got in at just the right time. Well we attribute that to the Lord. When I've told my story to others they tell me, "Gosh somebody must be taking care of you!" Well for sure! Does that mean by any stretch of the imagination that we put material things and prosperity FIRST? Of course not.

                              Does that mean if we give a dollar we get a calculator out and say well the Lord is going to bless me now with exactly 100? (as in 100 Fold return) Of course not.But I do believe in the 100 fold return and would never speak disparagingly of it. It just basically means when you live a life which shows honor to God and you're a giver and one who blesses people to encourage them God will take care of you. It may not be tomorrow but he watches you over a life time.Well what about people in lands where saints have been persecuted and all their goods taken, confiscated and difficult things occur?.

                              Well that's much determined as to what spiritual agencies have sway in the land. If we in North America come under persecution than all that can happen to me and you too. We can still praise God and worship him like Daniel in the lions den or to the death as many have done. It's all good! This world is not our REAL HOME. My point is the general things of what I'd call The Word of Faith are good about prayer and believing you receive and yes I know people have problems with that....but it's not ALL wrong! Some people can apply it in a wrong fashion but many times they'll learn from their mistakes or well...indeed they can go off and make shipwreck....still doesn't mean there isn't a genuine way of applying these things which produce results. And if people get so offended by even hearing the words of Jesus...
                              ."believe you receive when you pray" Mark 11:24 well I'm telling you there can be consequences to everything that we reject. It's all about having balance and perspective

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                                I can tell you how I determined it was fake..., it was based in horrible theology, hyped up miracles without verification, people that was claimed to be healed and was still sick, lying about miracles, claims of raising the dead and no raised dead, and on and on.
                                "hyped up miracles without verification"? Well, at my church people healed of cancer were verified by doctors who specialize in cancer. When the people went to the doctor, x-rays showed large cancer present. After being prayed for, x-rays taken just before the planned surgery showed no cancer. Now, you may claim that cancer specialists don't know how to "read" an x-ray, but that would be a stretch.

                                A person who was deaf in one ear being healed instantly was verification enough.

                                A person with advanced heart disease (medically diagnosed) who received a heart as strong as a 14 year old (so stated by the heart specialist) after a prophetic vision by my pastor.


                                And my pastor will say that he cannot heal anybody, it is faith in God, who is the healer.

                                This is just a very small sample of healings God has done at my church.
                                Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                                Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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