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  • WOF and Matthew 24:2

    Matthew 24:2 New English Translation (NET Bible)

    2 And he said to them, “Do you see all these things? I tell you the truth, not one stone will be left on another. All will be torn down!”

    Would you consider this a prophecy by Jesus? Would you consider it fulfilled at least once?
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  • #2
    And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    Matthew 24:2 KJV

    Does that mean that it all has to happen at one time? Or could it mean that over time it will come to pass?
    ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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    • #3
      And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Matthew 24:30 KJV

      And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
      Zechariah 12:9-14 KJV

      Has this happened yet?
      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tallen View Post
        And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
        Matthew 24:30 KJV
        Yes, this has happened.


        Originally posted by Tallen View Post
        And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
        Zechariah 12:9-14 KJV

        Has this happened yet?
        No, this has not happened yet...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tallen View Post
          And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
          Matthew 24:2 KJV

          Does that mean that it all has to happen at one time? Or could it mean that over time it will come to pass?
          Since the Temple was already razed, I guess all at once makes sense. If you are a dispensationalist, then you will believe in a third temple. Throwing the stones down of the Temple over a long period of time doesn't make sense...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

            Since the Temple was already razed, I guess all at once makes sense. If you are a dispensationalist, then you will believe in a third temple. Throwing the stones down of the Temple over a long period of time doesn't make sense...
            Why are some of the stones of the Temple still standing, and on top of one another?
            ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

              Yes, this has happened.




              No, this has not happened yet...
              Matthew 24:30 is a reference to Zechariah 12:9-14. How could it be fulfilled in Matthew if it isn't fulfilled in Zechariah?
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                Since the Temple was already razed, I guess all at once makes sense. If you are a dispensationalist, then you will believe in a third temple. Throwing the stones down of the Temple over a long period of time doesn't make sense...
                I'm not Dispensational and believe there will be a rebuilt Temple. We clearly see in scripture that there is a physical temple, sacrifices and priesthood after the return of Messiah.
                ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                  Why are some of the stones of the Temple still standing, and on top of one another?
                  They aren't... The Temple and the Wall are not the same... Perhaps you need to go read that book we discussed too...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                    Matthew 24:30 is a reference to Zechariah 12:9-14. How could it be fulfilled in Matthew if it isn't fulfilled in Zechariah?
                    Here, maybe this will help...

                    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes [Israelites] of the earth [Israel, Terra Firma, Ground] mourn, and they [Rebellious Israelites] shall see the Son of man [Jesus] coming in the clouds [Judgment] of heaven with power and great glory.
                    Matthew 24:30 KJV



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                      I'm not Dispensational and believe there will be a rebuilt Temple. We clearly see in scripture that there is a physical temple, sacrifices and priesthood after the return of Messiah.
                      Who is going to build that Temple?? How is that Temple a Temple of God since we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit? There is no need for a future physical Temple...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                        Who is going to build that Temple?? How is that Temple a Temple of God since we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit? There is no need for a future physical Temple...
                        1) Those who are a kingdom of priest, by the direction of YHWH'S word.
                        2) That is the work of the Spirit in preparing a priesthood for the time after Messiah's coming. Scripture is perfectly clear there will be a Temple after His return that will function for the nation's He will rule over.
                        3) Scripture says otherwise. Your statement is based upon presupposition, not scripture.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                          They aren't... The Temple and the Wall are not the same... Perhaps you need to go read that book we discussed too...
                          The wall was part of the Temple complex. Not sure that whether or not there is no Temple stones left untouched.
                          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                            Here, maybe this will help...

                            And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes [Israelites] of the earth [Israel, Terra Firma, Ground] mourn, and they [Rebellious Israelites] shall see the Son of man [Jesus] coming in the clouds [Judgment] of heaven with power and great glory.
                            Matthew 24:30 KJV


                            Here, maybe this will help...

                            And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
                            Zechariah 12:9-‬14 KJV
                            Last edited by Tallen; 09-12-18, 10:25 AM.
                            ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                            • #15
                              And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE Lord ; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
                              Zechariah 14:16-21 KJV
                              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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