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WOF Critics / 2 Macc.12;33-36

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  • WOF Critics / 2 Macc.12;33-36

    Doe the WOF critics believe its okay to pray for the dead according to these verses?
    He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
    Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
    Doe the WOF critics believe its okay to pray for the dead according to these verses?
    He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
    No. Is there any person posting in the forum who said it was?


    Do you think it is wrong to quote from a book by an heretic like Copeland... as many wofist have done?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tallen View Post

      No. Is there any person posting in the forum who said it was?


      Do you think it is wrong to quote from a book by an heretic like Copeland... as many wofist have done?
      I think its wrong to have the Apocrypha in our bibles.We seem to disagree here.

      Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by spokenword View Post
        I think its wrong to have the Apocrypha in our bibles.We seem to disagree here.
        Have you read what the KJV translators said about this and why they put it in their translation, yet?


        "Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read." Martin Luther
        Last edited by Tallen; 11-26-18, 02:38 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tallen View Post

          Have you read what the KJV translators said about this and why they put it in their translation, yet?


          "Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read." Martin Luther
          What is profitable in the O/P that I posted in this thread?

          Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by spokenword View Post
            What is profitable in the O/P that I posted in this thread?
            1) It was believed in the Second Temple era, therefore historical information.
            2) It easily compares the belief to biblical truth.
            3) There is no difference than the Apostles including and comparing the errors of the Church to YHWH'S way in his writings.
            4) There is no difference than the Prophets including and comparing the errors, abominations and false gods mentioned in their writings to YHWH'S way.
            5) Reasonable and rational people understand the purpose of the Apocrapha without a fetish and emotional irrational response to them.
            6) Most people can accept the fact that the Apocrapha was included with the Reformation bibles and was not included within the inspired holy writ.


            So, answer my questions.

            Who is posting in this forum and has promoted praying for the dead? Is there anyone here that was confused by the error?
            Is OK for someone to quote from a heretics book, like Copeland, and use it to defend their wof belief?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tallen View Post
              Who is posting in this forum and has promoted praying for the dead? Is there anyone here that was confused by the error?
              Is OK for someone to quote from a heretics book, like Copeland, and use it to defend their wof belief?
              Just making a point that the Apocrypha doesn,t belong in our bibles.I don,t want anything in my bible that doesn,t line up with Gods Word.

              Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                Just making a point that the Apocrypha doesn,t belong in our bibles.I don,t want anything in my bible that doesn,t line up with Gods Word.
                You've repeated your fetish many times now... it wasn't what the Reformers and Protestant churches thought until the late 1800s. By the way, does your bible come with a forward, table of contents, index, study helps, dictionary, title pages, maps, etc.?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                  You've repeated your fetish many times now... it wasn't what the Reformers and Protestant churches thought until the late 1800s. By the way, does your bible come with a forward, table of contents, index, study helps, dictionary, title pages, maps, etc.?
                  Bump. 1st time.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                    Doe the WOF critics believe its okay to pray for the dead according to these verses?
                    He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
                    Do you believe in unicorns ? Should they be in the Bible ?

                    [Psa 22:21 KJV] Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
                    Phynerk
                    " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Phynerk View Post

                      Do you believe in unicorns ? Should they be in the Bible ?

                      [Psa 22:21 KJV] Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
                      Well that actually existed. Not the fantasy we use for a mythical horse with a horn. Uni=one. One horn and was most likely the now extinct one horned rhino.

                      Though this particular verse actually says:
                      Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen.
                      Psalm 22:21
                      1 Cor 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mikey1967 View Post

                        Well that actually existed. Not the fantasy we use for a mythical horse with a horn. Uni=one. One horn and was most likely the now extinct one horned rhino.

                        Though this particular verse actually says:
                        Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen.
                        Psalm 22:21
                        I've read that it could have been an Elasmotherium. Nero wrote about them in his life. They probably existed at least into the first century CE.

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasmotherium
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                          Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
                          Except that He Delivered NOBODY from their SIN. He DID provide a phony proof text about purgatorial sanctification for the Catholics, of course.

                          Judas Maccabeus the HERETIC was OBVIOUSLY not "orthodox" in his beliefs, and into Superstitious PAGAN practices (like trying to "Atone for the dead" which any knowledgeable Israelite would have known was IMPOSSIBLE).
                          Last edited by Bob Carabbio; 11-28-18, 01:14 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mikey1967 View Post

                            Well that actually existed. Not the fantasy we use for a mythical horse with a horn. Uni=one. One horn and was most likely the now extinct one horned rhino.

                            Though this particular verse actually says:
                            Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen.
                            Psalm 22:21
                            Understood, but the verse you posted say. "horns". Plural...just sayin. I was just trying to make the point that Tal and I have been trying to make, that no one here has even hinted that the Apocrypha is scripture; however 'someone' here will not agree that there may actually be some of it that has some wisdom and value. Heck, the newspaper is not scripture, but there is no harm in reading it.
                            Phynerk
                            " Getting a straight answer from a Word Of Faith'er is like nailing Jello to a wall." MRCPU

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                            • #15
                              https://answersingenesis.org/extinct...ease-stand-up/
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