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  • wof and Romans 10:8-13

    But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Romans 10:8-13 KJVA
    ---> Insert your denial here. <---

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tallen View Post
    . For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Romans 10:8-13 KJVA
    So say a sinners prayer and you have your ticket to heaven. Really?
    Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
      So say a sinners prayer and you have your ticket to heaven. Really?
      HUH!?! You pulled that out of context to say something like that? Really?

      That is very typical of how you respond to the posts in the forum. Pull something out of a post, ignore the bulk of what was said, to make some weird point.
      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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      • #4
        Originally posted by spokenword View Post
        So say a sinners prayer and you have your ticket to heaven. Really?
        Yes, if it is said in faith that God will do what his word says.
        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AlFin View Post

          Yes, if it is said in faith that God will do what his word says.
          I guess he's trying to argue with the Apostle. Wonder if he has a problem with a Prophet?

          And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the YHWH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the YHWH hath said, and in the remnant whom the YHWH shall call.
          Joel 2:32

          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AlFin View Post

            Yes, if it is said in faith that God will do what his word says.
            The sinners prayer is only the first step in our christian walk..
            Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by spokenword View Post
              The sinners prayer is only the first step in our christian walk..
              I wholeheartedly agree. But I meet too many Christians who haven't progressed beyond that point.

              1 Cor 3:1-3
              Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?

              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                I wholeheartedly agree. But I meet too many Christians who haven't progressed beyond that point.

                Maybe these are the ones that someday Jesus will say" get away from me for I never knew you".
                Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                  Yes, if it is said in faith that God will do what his word says.
                  God will do what His word says regardless of a person's faith. He saves us. His word is infallible, accomplishes what He intended. He has chosen His people from the foundation of the world and gives us the gift of faith. We are saved, not because we have faith, but because He first loved us. We have faith because we were chosen to have it.

                  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
                  Ephesians 2:8-10. KJVA
                  ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                  • #10
                    For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
                    Romans 12:3 KJVA

                    ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                      So say a sinners prayer and you have your ticket to heaven. Really?
                      COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING!!!! The text is ABSOLUTELY correct, BUT one must take note of the words "believe in thine heart" which automatically disqualifies "Mental assent belief".

                      Mental assent accomplishes NOTHING.

                      Believing in your HEART (Having Biblical faith) is what gets 'er done.

                      And, of course "Believing in your HEART" (having FAITH) is only possible when the Holy Spirit is DEALING WITH YOU about your SIN.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                        God will do what His word says regardless of a person's faith. He saves us. His word is infallible, accomplishes what He intended. He has chosen His people from the foundation of the world and gives us the gift of faith. We are saved, not because we have faith, but because He first loved us. We have faith because we were chosen to have it.

                        For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
                        Ephesians 2:8-10. KJVA
                        (Highlighting is mine.)

                        Yes, His word is infallible:

                        Heb 11:6
                        And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
                        NIV

                        No faith, no salvation.
                        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                          (Highlighting is mine.)

                          Yes, His word is infallible:

                          Heb 11:6
                          And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
                          NIV

                          No faith, no salvation.
                          Two different things. We are saved by grace through faith..., but YHWH is not limited by faith. His word, when He speaks, accomplishes what He intended.

                          BTW, He doesn't save us because we some how have faith, He saves us by His grace through faith He has gifted to us. We are saved by a Savior with purpose.
                          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                            Two different things. We are saved by grace through faith..., but YHWH is not limited by faith. His word, when He speaks, accomplishes what He intended.

                            BTW, He doesn't save us because we some how have faith, He saves us by His grace through faith He has gifted to us. We are saved by a Savior with purpose.
                            So, God will save us whether or not we want it? If our lack of faith displeases God, why would he reward us with son-ship?
                            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                              So, God will save us whether or not we want it?
                              Huh!?! Where did I say such a thing.

                              If our lack of faith displeases God, why would he reward us with son-ship?
                              Because He is our Savior and gave His only begotten Son so that believers will not perish. Was this an act that was based upon people wanting it or because of the divine love of the Heavenly Father From the foundation of the world?


                              But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
                              Isaiah 64:6 KJVA

                              What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways: and the way of peace have they not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes.
                              Romans 3:9-18 KJVA
                              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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