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  • #91
    Originally posted by Mark Miwerds View Post

    My stance is, being as I am not a Priest in the Temple in Jerusalem, I cannot tithe to the House of God.

    In Malachi 3:7, God was calling for a return to the ordinances. The ordinances said that the congregation could not tithe to the House of God, but had to give their tithes to a physical descendant of the patriarch Levi. The Levite, in turn, was to take a tithe of the tithe to the House of God.

    Further, the ordinances said that God's tithe was to be agricultural. They were to be a tenth of the crops from the fields and orchards, and/or every tenth animal from the flocks and herds to pass under the rod...depending on whether a landowner was a farmer or a herder. (I am neither)

    Given that Malachi 3:7 is calling for a return to the ordinances, it is clear that Malachi was not speaking of a monetary tithe in verses 8-10. Nor was he telling the congregation to tithe to the House of God in those verses. It is wrong for any preacher to teach that Malachi is calling for tithes of our money. He is not.
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    • #92
      This is how BAD wof teachers and BAD any denominational teachers get so rich! They put the burden of the tithe on the poor. There is nothing that would require a born again believer to tithe. You will not be under a curse if you do not tithe. You will not, not be blessed if you do not tithe.

      We are under the dispensation of grace. Although there are benefits to giving of ones monetary belongings none of them have to do with tithing. Tithing is part of the old system. That is why there are no NT teachings on the tithe... only on what each one determine to set aside and give himself. In fact the tithe is not 10% that is only part of the tithe. And you have to be a MALE to give the tithe... oh and there must be a temple in order to take the "first fruit" tithe to in Jerusalem.

      Yes God will bless your giving but he wont curse you if you are not giving. You may not be as good of a steward if you do not participate in giving and you may have an issue of the heart if you cant give joyfully. But the tithe is taught wrong by almost all Christian organizations. If you wanna be even more NT biblical about it then really we should give all that we have to the community of believers we belong to. That's the example of the early church.

      I myself give what the Lord places on my heart to give. It has no % attached to it. There are times I am restrained from giving and later find out the speaker was caught in adultery and I am thankful the spirit led me not to support such a man. But other times I'm so impressed to give and so happy to have given that I need nothing in return. They ability to give to Gods work was reward enough! Do not tithe bc your church needs a bigger building and they took out a loan and it needs to be paid off! You will never reap a harvest from such fowl plya to trick you into giving of your hard earned money. All you will do is be late on your bills and hungry while your leader is eating a steak dinner in his mansion.

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      • #93
        Jesus said more about paying taxes then he did about tithing...yet all church try and be tax exempt but require you to pay a tithe... Whats wrong with that picture!

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        • #94
          Originally posted by knhenderson View Post
          this is how bad wof teachers and bad any denominational teachers get so rich! They put the burden of the tithe on the poor. There is nothing that would require a born again believer to tithe. You will not be under a curse if you do not tithe. You will not, not be blessed if you do not tithe.

          We are under the dispensation of grace. Although there are benefits to giving of ones monetary belongings none of them have to do with tithing. Tithing is part of the old system. That is why there are no nt teachings on the tithe... Only on what each one determine to set aside and give himself. In fact the tithe is not 10% that is only part of the tithe. And you have to be a male to give the tithe... Oh and there must be a temple in order to take the "first fruit" tithe to in jerusalem.

          Yes god will bless your giving but he wont curse you if you are not giving. You may not be as good of a steward if you do not participate in giving and you may have an issue of the heart if you cant give joyfully. But the tithe is taught wrong by almost all christian organizations. If you wanna be even more nt biblical about it then really we should give all that we have to the community of believers we belong to. That's the example of the early church.

          I myself give what the lord places on my heart to give. It has no % attached to it. There are times i am restrained from giving and later find out the speaker was caught in adultery and i am thankful the spirit led me not to support such a man. But other times i'm so impressed to give and so happy to have given that i need nothing in return. They ability to give to gods work was reward enough! Do not tithe bc your church needs a bigger building and they took out a loan and it needs to be paid off! You will never reap a harvest from such fowl plya to trick you into giving of your hard earned money. All you will do is be late on your bills and hungry while your leader is eating a steak dinner in his mansion.
          Whats bad is your understanding on tithing.
          Last edited by spokenword; 01-12-19, 04:44 PM.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by knhenderson View Post
            jesus said more about paying taxes then he did about tithing...yet all church try and be tax exempt but require you to pay a tithe... Whats wrong with that picture!
            Thats because Jesus
            didn,t have to.They understood the principles of Gods commands.
            Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by KNHenderson View Post
              Jesus said more about paying taxes then he did about tithing...yet all church try and be tax exempt but require you to pay a tithe... Whats wrong with that picture!
              My pastors do not require us to pay a tithe. They do encourage it, because it has rewards attached. It's still up to the individual whether or not they do it.
              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

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              • #97
                Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                Jesus kept the law perfectly. I thought you knew that.
                Apparently you don't.
                ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                  Whats bad is your understanding on tithing.
                  Which part do you think I do not understand? Haveing studies the subject for several years and speaking with Jewish Rabbis on the subject I think I have a strong understanding of it. I may not be articulate enough to write it ima couple of paragraphs but how can one judge anotherís understanding on a subject by a few paragraphs and not respond with what is lacking?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                    Whats bad is your understanding on tithing.
                    Which part do you think I do not understand? Haveing studies the subject for several years and speaking with Jewish Rabbis on the subject I think I have a strong understanding of it. I may not be articulate enough to write it ima couple of paragraphs but how can one judge anotherís understanding on a subject by a few paragraphs and not respond with what is lacking?

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                    • Originally posted by KNHenderson View Post

                      Which part do you think I do not understand? Haveing studies the subject for several years and speaking with Jewish Rabbis on the subject I think I have a strong understanding of it. I may not be articulate enough to write it ima couple of paragraphs but how can one judge another’s understanding on a subject by a few paragraphs and not respond with what is lacking?
                      Don't waste much time on him..., he will dismiss your efforts with off the cuff remarks and dinegrate your understand without addressing your points. He is incapable of putting together rational and reasonable posts on any subject.

                      He hasn't adequately address my point..., how does he tithe to a Levite as the Law describes.
                      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                      • Originally posted by KNHenderson View Post

                        Which part do you think I do not understand? Haveing studies the subject for several years and speaking with Jewish Rabbis on the subject I think I have a strong understanding of it. I may not be articulate enough to write it ima couple of paragraphs but how can one judge another’s understanding on a subject by a few paragraphs and not respond with what is lacking?
                        Beware of troll ! If your time is valuable to you, than don't waste it with this poster.
                        Phynerk
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