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    What is the wof teaching on Baptism?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Tallen View Post
    What is the wof teaching on Baptism?
    You have been in this forum for many years and you still don,t know the answer. Shame on you!!!
    Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
      You have been in this forum for many years and you still don,t know the answer. Shame on you!!!
      Since you focused on me instead of the topic..., I'll chalk this topic up to your extreme ignorance as well. Since you been in this forum and don't know the answer, we can see your hypocrisy of being here.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tallen View Post
        What is the wof teaching on Baptism?
        My pastor's teaching is that it is an ordnance of Christianity. It does not save a person, it is something we do after salvation in affirmation of our regeneration.

        This is from our statement of beliefs:
        "Baptism in water is a declaration to the world that believers have died with Christ and that they have been raised with Him to walk in newness of life (Matt. 28:19; Acts 10:47-48; Rom. 6:4)".


        Rom 6:3-6
        Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

        If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
        NIV
        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tallen View Post

          Since you focused on me instead of the topic..., I'll chalk this topic up to your extreme ignorance as well. Since you been in this forum and don't know the answer, we can see your hypocrisy of being here.
          Why do you keep asking questions that you know the answer to.Stop wasting your time.
          Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AlFin View Post

            My pastor's teaching is that it is an ordnance of Christianity. It does not save a person, it is something we do after salvation in affirmation of our regeneration.

            This is from our statement of beliefs:
            "Baptism in water is a declaration to the world that believers have died with Christ and that they have been raised with Him to walk in newness of life (Matt. 28:19; Acts 10:47-48; Rom. 6:4)".


            Rom 6:3-6
            Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

            If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
            NIV
            I would disagree that it is just an ordinance, it is a means of grace. Baptism is a sign and seal of our ingrafting into the Covenant with Christ and death to our old life. Not an ordinance, but a sacrament with purpose to strengthen faith and visibly include us into the Israel of YHWH, His chosen people. I agree that it doesn't in itself save a person, but disagree that it is an ordinance. YHWH uses baptism as a means of blessing and delivering grace to His Church and the Covenant relationship that exists because of it, a sign and seal of this covenant, a sacrament with purpose.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tallen View Post

              I would disagree that it is just an ordinance, it is a means of grace. Baptism is a sign and seal of our ingrafting into the Covenant with Christ and death to our old life. Not an ordinance, but a sacrament with purpose to strengthen faith and visibly include us into the Israel of YHWH, His chosen people. I agree that it doesn't in itself save a person, but disagree that it is an ordinance. YHWH uses baptism as a means of blessing and delivering grace to His Church and the Covenant relationship that exists because of it, a sign and seal of this covenant, a sacrament with purpose.
              Well, maybe I chose the wrong word. I agree with your explanation.
              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tallen View Post
                I agree that it doesn't in itself save a person, but disagree that it is an ordinance.
                Of course I disagree with your opinion.There are two ordinances which Jesus Christ has instituted and established for His Church. An ordinance is a "prescribed practice." It is something that has been prescribed and ordered by Jesus Christ and practiced by the Church.
                Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                  Well, maybe I chose the wrong word. I agree with your explanation.
                  There is a lot of disagreement around baptism. If you agreed with me, and my explanation of a means of grace, you've come down on the side of Reformed theology. If your church teaches it is an ordinance, you've come down on the side of the Anabaptist theology.

                  Ordinance vrs Sacrament is loaded with controversies.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tallen View Post
                    Ordinance vrs Sacrament is loaded with controversies.
                    Must be the Catholic upbringing.

                    Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spokenword View Post
                      Must be the Catholic upbringing.
                      Your extreme ignorance and false witness noted. Once again.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                        There is a lot of disagreement around baptism. If you agreed with me, and my explanation of a means of grace, you've come down on the side of Reformed theology. If your church teaches it is an ordinance, you've come down on the side of the Anabaptist theology.

                        Ordinance vrs Sacrament is loaded with controversies.
                        Well, either way, at my church it's not a necessity for being a Christian or a member.
                        Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                        Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                          Well, either way, at my church it's not a necessity for being a Christian or a member.
                          But it should be important as to what the doctrine is..., and whether or not a person would recieve grace and blessing from baptism, or it is just an act because it is an ordinance without any real divine benefit being given.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                            But it should be important as to what the doctrine is..., and whether or not a person would recieve grace and blessing from baptism, or it is just an act because it is an ordinance without any real divine benefit being given.
                            We have a baptism service, usually once a month. After looking up "sacrament" in a dictionary, I would say baptism is a sacrament.

                            The following are our guidelines of water baptism:

                            Rom 6:3-6
                            3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

                            5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
                            NIV

                            Gal 3:26-27
                            26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

                            Col 2:11-12
                            11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
                            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                              We have a baptism service, usually once a month. After looking up "sacrament" in a dictionary, I would say baptism is a sacrament.

                              The following are our guidelines of water baptism:

                              Rom 6:3-6
                              3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

                              5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
                              NIV

                              Gal 3:26-27
                              26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

                              Col 2:11-12
                              11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
                              Usually those who write a statement of faith and use "ordinance" concerning baptism see it as something that is for testimony and religious obedience. While those who say it is a sacrament see it as an active and real means that YHWH uses to add to and bless a believers experience. Often, when a persons is baptised, their walk with the Holy Spirit becomes much richer and has greater meaning and depth. This was the case with my wife, her baptism was a real milestone and changed her heart dramatically.
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