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    What is the wof teaching on Communion?
    ---> Insert your denial here. <---

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tallen View Post
    What is the wof teaching on Communion?
    For us the following applies:

    1 Cor 10:16-17
    Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

    1 Cor 11:23-26
    For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

    But there will be consequences if not done with the proper attitude:
    1 Cor 11:29-31
    For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.

    Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

    Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by AlFin View Post

      For us the following applies:

      1 Cor 10:16-17
      Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

      1 Cor 11:23-26
      For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

      But there will be consequences if not done with the proper attitude:
      1 Cor 11:29-31
      For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.
      Is this another teaching that would be an ordinance in your group?
      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

        Is this another teaching that would be an ordinance in your group?
        Yep,another command of our Lord.

        Without Love we are nothing more than noise makers.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by spokenword View Post
          Yep,another command of our Lord.
          Who said otherwise?
          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AlFin View Post

            But there will be consequences if not done with the proper attitude:
            1 Cor 11:29-31
            For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.
            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

            Is this another teaching that would be an ordinance in your group?
            It's not an "ordinance", it's a consequence.
            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AlFin View Post



              It's not an "ordinance", it's a consequence.
              I would say it is a sacrament, like baptism.
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                I would say it is a sacrament, like baptism.
                Yes, we view it as a sacrament. It isn't salvific. It's something we do because Jesus said, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24)
                Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                  Yes, we view it as a sacrament. It isn't salvific. It's something we do because Jesus said, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24)
                  As a sacrament, we would mean that it is a means of grace and blessing for the believer, as opposed to an ordinance which is just an act of obedience by the believer. Communion is meant, by YHWH, as a way that His grace is given in order to apply and carry His blessing to those who come to Him in faith. It is a Covenant response and a way that we remember the great price of God shedding His blood on our behave.

                  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
                  Acts 20:28 KJVA

                  ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                    As a sacrament, we would mean that it is a means of grace and blessing for the believer, as opposed to an ordinance which is just an act of obedience by the believer. Communion is meant, by YHWH, as a way that His grace is given in order to apply and carry His blessing to those who come to Him in faith. It is a Covenant response and a way that we remember the great price of God shedding His blood on our behave.

                    Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
                    Acts 20:28 KJVA
                    I agree. However, Communion carries a warning also:

                    1 Cor 11:29-31
                    For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.

                    We are to judge ourselves and get any sin taken care of before partaking of it.
                    Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                    Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                      I agree. However, Communion carries a warning also:

                      1 Cor 11:29-31
                      For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment.

                      We are to judge ourselves and get any sin taken care of before partaking of it.
                      Agreed.
                      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tallen View Post
                        What is the wof teaching on Communion?
                        I don't understand why WOF even takes communion. It was the Spiritual Death of Christ and suffering in Hell that saves them, according to numerous advocates. Christ's death on the cross was not enough. According to Kenneth Copeland, any man could have done that...
                        Be light. Share The Gospel. Grow the Kingdom...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                          I don't understand why WOF even takes communion. It was the Spiritual Death of Christ and suffering in Hell that saves them, according to numerous advocates. Christ's death on the cross was not enough. According to Kenneth Copeland, any man could have done that...
                          Excellent point. Never thought about it that way.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yodas_Prodigy View Post

                            I don't understand why WOF even takes communion. It was the Spiritual Death of Christ and suffering in Hell that saves them, according to numerous advocates. Christ's death on the cross was not enough. According to Kenneth Copeland, any man could have done that...
                            We do it because Jesus said to do it: "do this in remembrance of me." Lk 22:19

                            1 Cor 10:16-17
                            Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

                            1 Cor 11:23-26
                            For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

                            And BTW, Kenneth Copeland is NOT my pastor.

                            1 Peter 3:18
                            For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

                            No other man could have done what Jesus did, since none but him was righteous.
                            Last edited by AlFin; 12-24-18, 03:16 PM.
                            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                              We do it because Jesus said to do it: "do this in remembrance of me." Lk 22:19

                              1 Cor 10:16-17
                              Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

                              1 Cor 11:23-26
                              For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

                              And BTW, Kenneth Copeland is NOT my pastor.

                              1 Peter 3:18
                              For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

                              No other man could have done what Jesus did, since none but him was righteous.
                              Alfin, you keep trying to defend WOF... It's hard to...

                              This is all fine and good for orthodox Christians... It seems rather contradictory for Word Faith who say the blood was not enough to purchase our salvation... Word Faith has explained away or ignored passages in the past... They certainly don't remember these passages when discussing the JDS/BAJ doctrine.

                              When we orthodox Christians remember what Christ did with his body and his blood, we know that he paid for our sins on the cross with his broken body and his shed blood. When he physically was raised from the dead, that guaranteed us a resurrection too.

                              This is why orthodox Christians should take Communion. Word Faith doctrines cannot remember the body and the blood paying for their sins... It took Jesus dying spiritually...
                              Be light. Share The Gospel. Grow the Kingdom...

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