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Were the Apostles acrting like Kenneth Hagin claims?

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  • #76
    Originally posted by james View Post

    I have to ask hemi, why did you post this video, your giving "drunks" a bad name.

    IN HINN,
    james
    It's been a favorite for YEARS here with the "Pentehostiles"

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
      It's been a favorite for YEARS here with the "Pentehostiles"
      Its good to resort to name calling and ad hominem when you can't support your view with scripture. Right?

      The fact of the matter is once you were shown your abuse of scripture, you resorted to your old tactics of, it's only theology, calling people names, and avoiding what scripture actually says.

      Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
      Galatians 5:19*-‬23 KJV
      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

        Its good to resort to name calling and ad hominem when you can't support your view with scripture. Right?

        The fact of the matter is once you were shown your abuse of scripture, you resorted to your old tactics of, it's only theology, calling people names, and avoiding what scripture actually says.

        Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
        Galatians 5:19*-‬23 KJV
        All you ever "showed" me was your INTERPRETATIONS of scripture, which sometimes made good sense, and other times didn't. You obviously are totally against any sort of "joyous expressions" in the context of a church service. I'm not.

        Do you think cheering at a sports event is SINFUL ?? Then why not Cheer for GOD, who actually did something SIGNIFICANT in your life?? I don't happen to be wired that way, but other people ARE. They don't judge me, and I certainly don't judge them.

        ANd over the years you have DEFINITLY DEMONSTRATED that you are a "Pentehostile", so it's not an "Ad-hom" - just the statement of an obvious FACT.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Hemi View Post

          I don't care what you knew Bob. The Hagin video of his congregation is sacrilege, and causes the Church to be blasphemed. The Holy Spirit doesn't cause people to lose control of be drunk. He causes sober mindedness, righteousness, self control.

          [LEFT][COLOR=#252C2F][FONT=Helvetica]

          I worship in Spirit and in truth. Not in uncontrollable and unorganized chaos that is nothing but cult followers allowing themselves to lose control.

          Simple as that.
          Luke 19:37-40

          37 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:

          38 "Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"

          39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"

          40 "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."
          NIV

          I, for one, do not want rocks taking my place.

          I've been to denominational churches. They act like normal rocks.
          Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

          Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by AlFin View Post

            Luke 19:37-40

            37 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:

            38 "Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"

            39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"

            40 "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."
            NIV

            I, for one, do not want rocks taking my place.

            I've been to denominational churches. They act like normal rocks.
            Let's see..., read that very closely..., no one was falling down drunk and acting foolish.

            Yep, read it again. Doesn't describe what Hagin and friends were doing. And Christ didn't say the rocks would do that either. Joy does not equal drunk..., in any way.

            Next.
            ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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            • #81
              G5479

              Original: χαρά

              Transliteration: chara

              Phonetic: khar-ah'

              Thayer Definition:
              1. joy, gladness
                1. the joy received from you
                2. the cause or occasion of joy
                  1. of persons who are one's joy
              Origin: from G5463

              TDNT entry: 14:59,1

              Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

              Strong's Definition: From G5463; cheerfulness, that is, calm delight: - gladness, X greatly, (X be exceeding) joy (-ful, -fully, -fulness, -ous).
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #82
                Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                Luke 19:37-40

                37 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:

                38 "Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"

                39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"

                40 "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."
                NIV

                I, for one, do not want rocks taking my place.

                I've been to denominational churches. They act like normal rocks.
                What does that have to do with the OP or anything else in this thread?

                Kenneth Hagin, like ALL other WoF preacher's I've seen, bring all the attention to themselves, and NOT to Christ. That hypocrite walked lied and said the Disciples acted like drunks on the day of Pentecost, then proceeded to begin laughing like a drunk fool. He then proceeded to use his cult like power over his congregation and they began acting like him. No self control, no reverence for God, no respect for the Holy Sprit, all falling down laughing foolishly.

                Nothing in the New Testament Churches was Ever recorded to be anything like that. The Only thing resembling such selfish confusion in the assembly was when Paul had to rebuke the Church at Corinth for touting their gifts and speaking in languages no one in the congregation understood. He told them, take turns and if no one could interpret, to shut up. And he finally told them do all things decently and in order.

                Show me where the Comforter, the Holy Spirit who brought all knowledge, causes people to lose control and act like drunks. The Holy Spirit told us the gospel contains instructions on self control, holiness and reverence to God and not that blasphemous circus act Hagin and his cult followers did in that disgusting video.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                  It's been a favorite for YEARS here with the "Pentehostiles"
                  So what? I've seen the video many times over the years and so have you. We've also seen the video of copeland and others howling like dogs etc. How is acting like that glorify God? If you read the text at Acts 2:13 it says, But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine." So why is hagin and his crew taking the side of the "mockers" and acting out this ungodly behavior in the first place?

                  In fact, the Apostle Peter was angry and had to "rasie" his voice (vs14-15) explaining that this is what God said would happen through Joel the prophet. And btw, they were not speaking "gibberish" tongues but languages that others understood according to vs8. One more thing, I'm not against Pentecostals but rather against wof heretical and hostile teachings that go against the Bible. I know, now it's your turn to tell me, "well that's your interpretation."

                  IN HINN,
                  james


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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                    All you ever "showed" me was your INTERPRETATIONS of scripture,
                    Well here's scripture that Paul wrote and interpreted for us.

                    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

                    See, Paul interpreted it for us, no interpretation from you or any of us necessary. So where in there is no self control, or a "drunk in the Spirit" or a "laughing uncontrollably" or any of that we see in the video? Where does the Bible say the Holy Spirit causes people to lose control or act like a drunk?

                    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
                    which sometimes made good sense, and other times didn't. You obviously are totally against any sort of "joyous expressions" in the context of a church service. I'm not.
                    That's not joyous expressions in the Hagin video. That's foolishness and blasphemous behavior against the Holy Spirit who teaches self control and NOT a lack of it, and who commanded soberness and NOT drunkenness. He does not contradict Himself the way the Hagin cult did in the video.
                    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
                    Do you think cheering at a sports event is SINFUL ?? Then why not Cheer for GOD, who actually did something SIGNIFICANT in your life?? I don't happen to be wired that way, but other people ARE. They don't judge me, and I certainly don't judge them.
                    Again, it's ridiculous to compare the assembly of the Church to a football game. But that attitude explains how folks like Hagin can lead people into such foolishness as the video shows.
                    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
                    ANd over the years you have DEFINITLY DEMONSTRATED that you are a "Pentehostile", so it's not an "Ad-hom" - just the statement of an obvious FACT.
                    I am. Pentecostals have done great damage to the Church. they have lead a lot of people down a path to destruction. They have people following moon eclipses, astroids, constellations, wars, and an almost worship of the state of Israel and a longing for a man made third temple which if the Jews build a temple it will be nothing but an abomination to God and His True Temple.

                    The Church assembles to edify and build each other up, worship and sing praises to God, Pray to Him, remember His son and eat the Lord's Supper together until He comes.

                    Nowhere in the New Testament are we told to assemble and act like drunks, make it about ourselves, confuse those on the outside with pagan looking rituals the Apsotles and the Church never took part in and tongues that have no nationality or cultural home. Never were we told to buy trinkets and prayer shawls, and mix the Old Law rituals and ordinances that has been nailed to the cross, in with the New Law of Christ who is the Lord and was the one the Law was meant to get everyone ready for. Pentecostals are celebrating "Jubilees" and Fest of Tabernacles, an teaching generation curses and all kinds of nonsense about how there are still two Covenants and the Church of His Son is Not the Israel of God. .

                    There are many scriptural reasons to be Pentehostile.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by james View Post

                      So what? I've seen the video many times over the years and so have you. We've also seen the video of copeland and others howling like dogs etc. How is acting like that glorify God? If you read the text at Acts 2:13 it says, But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine." So why is hagin and his crew taking the side of the "mockers" and acting out this ungodly behavior in the first place?
                      That's an excellent point. Why would anyone want to be on the side of the mockers? Well we know Kenneth Hagin did because that's what he used as the reason to act like a drunken fool. Why would Hagin not want to inform the people in his congregation of Peter's sermon which actually gave knowledge and instruction from the Holy Spirit and taught them what they needed to do to be saved from their sins?

                      But no, Kenneth Hagin started and stopped at one verse and literally told a lie and said "Because they were acting like drunks"...then he begins his stupid and silly laughing.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by james View Post

                        So what? I've seen the video many times over the years and so have you. We've also seen the video of copeland and others howling like dogs etc. How is acting like that glorify God? If you read the text at Acts 2:13 it says, But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine." So why is hagin and his crew taking the side of the "mockers" and acting out this ungodly behavior in the first place?

                        In fact, the Apostle Peter was angry and had to "rasie" his voice (vs14-15) explaining that this is what God said would happen through Joel the prophet. And btw, they were not speaking "gibberish" tongues but languages that others understood according to vs8. One more thing, I'm not against Pentecostals but rather against wof heretical and hostile teachings that go against the Bible. I know, now it's your turn to tell me, "well that's your interpretation."

                        IN HINN,
                        james

                        Here's so what, Jamesie....Because it's a video...and you only need the mere seconds on it to ascertain that Hagin was a loser...it serves to confirm your pre-existing conclusions based entirely on sight, prejudice and hearsay, and your own deliberate lack of experience.

                        No video serves to "prove" anything unless you can tell me what happened next. If I judge Paul because I saw a video of him falling down ion the road to Damascus, I'd be proud of my judgment...because I'm always right. And those who know Paul would wonder at how I had become such a fool.

                        Simple as that.
                        Pete

                        ~(8-[)}<><===> (flames of new anointing, béret, non-prescription glasses to help critics and their ilk feel more secure, mustache, beard...and tie.) I serve a God who walked this earth for thirty years before He did a single miracle.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Hemi View Post
                          There are many scriptural reasons to be Pentehostile.
                          SO make sure you do it to the best of your ability!!!!

                          Your Interpretations have never given me the SLIGHTEST REASON to doubt my course, and so I'll simply continue on it (Since I've heard all your stuff over and over again for DECADES, as all Full Gospel folks have).

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                            SO make sure you do it to the best of your ability!!!!
                            Oh I do. I always make sure there are scriptures to guide me.

                            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
                            Your Interpretations have never given me the SLIGHTEST REASON to doubt my course, and so I'll simply continue on it (Since I've heard all your stuff over and over again for DECADES, as all Full Gospel folks have).
                            Again, I'll give you Paul's interpretation so you'll have no excuse.

                            But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

                            See, Paul interpreted it for us, no interpretation from you or any of us necessary. So where in there is no self control, or a "drunk in the Spirit" or a "laughing uncontrollably" or any of that we see in the video? Where does the Bible say the Holy Spirit causes people to lose control or act like a drunk?

                            One thing I know is I won't have to stand before God and explain how I used an interpretation of my own and not what the Hoy Spirit told me in His word. Lot's of people have convinced themselves there are multiple ways to interpret God's word. No, there's not. Paul's word on what the fruit of the Spirit is and what it will look like are plain and simple and Paul Himself interpreted them for us. Simply brushing them off just to justify following a man like Hagin and those clowns in the audience who have zero self control, well, you can stand before God and explain why Hagin was more important than the Apostle Paul who was writing by inspiration of the Hoy Spirit.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by tbeachhead View Post
                              No video serves to "prove" anything unless you can tell me what happened next.
                              We know what he did next..., we've had testamony from folks that were there. He went on and preached his nonsense and practice his lack of self-control. He continued spreading his error, exalting his own experiences and seeking the homage and veneration of those he hoodwicked.

                              Simple as that.

                              What makes you think he did otherwise?
                              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Hemi View Post

                                Oh I do. I always make sure there are scriptures to guide me.

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                                Again, I'll give you Paul's interpretation so you'll have no excuse.

                                But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

                                See, Paul interpreted it for us, no interpretation from you or any of us necessary. So where in there is no self control, or a "drunk in the Spirit" or a "laughing uncontrollably" or any of that we see in the video? Where does the Bible say the Holy Spirit causes people to lose control or act like a drunk?

                                One thing I know is I won't have to stand before God and explain how I used an interpretation of my own and not what the Hoy Spirit told me in His word. Lot's of people have convinced themselves there are multiple ways to interpret God's word. No, there's not. Paul's word on what the fruit of the Spirit is and what it will look like are plain and simple and Paul Himself interpreted them for us. Simply brushing them off just to justify following a man like Hagin and those clowns in the audience who have zero self control, well, you can stand before God and explain why Hagin was more important than the Apostle Paul who was writing by inspiration of the Hoy Spirit.
                                Standard Cessationist rhetoric. Sell it to the best of your ability!!!!

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