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    “Faith is not a leap in the dark, but a leap into the light … Faith is action taken on evidence, driven by conviction. The evidence was the demonstrated trustworthiness of the Lord’s word. The resulting conviction was holding fast to the word and believing the Lord was able to do what he said and that his promises would stand. The essence of faith is the trust that obeys.”
    Alex Motyer, The Message of Exodus, pg. 128-129

    I agree with this.
    ---> Insert your denial here. <---

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tallen View Post
    “Faith is not a leap in the dark, but a leap into the light … Faith is action taken on evidence, driven by conviction. The evidence was the demonstrated trustworthiness of the Lord’s word. The resulting conviction was holding fast to the word and believing the Lord was able to do what he said and that his promises would stand. The essence of faith is the trust that obeys.”
    Alex Motyer, The Message of Exodus, pg. 128-129

    I agree with this.
    Biblical WoF in a nutshell.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

      Biblical WoF in a nutshell.
      There isn't WoF taught in the bible..., it's normal Christianity. It's faith in YHWH.
      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

        There isn't WoF taught in the bible..., it's normal Christianity. It's faith in YHWH.
        Which includes, and gives EXAMPLES of the "Word of Faith" in practical manifestation. I agree that it SHOULD BE "Normal Christianity", but we both know it isn't - yet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          Which includes, and gives EXAMPLES of the "Word of Faith" in practical manifestation. I agree that it SHOULD BE "Normal Christianity", but we both know it isn't - yet.
          If it's not normal Christianity, then it isn't Christianity..., faith in YHWH is what all believers have in common.
          ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tallen View Post

            If it's not normal Christianity, then it isn't Christianity..., faith in YHWH is what all believers have in common.
            This is "normal" Christianity:

            1 Cor 12:4-13

            4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

            7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

            12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body — whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free — and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
            NIV
            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

              This is "normal" Christianity:

              1 Cor 12:4-13

              4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.

              7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

              12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body — whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free — and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
              NIV
              Naaa..., that's the gifts of the Spirit in a body of believers. Everyday normal Christianity is what happens in the rest of your life, in your normal everyday actions and thoughts. It's about being obedient to YHWH and following His will. Faith is the basis of our Christianity. 😉
              ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                If it's not normal Christianity, then it isn't Christianity..., faith in YHWH is what all believers have in common.
                Which in itself is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of Biblical "Word of Faith".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                  Which in itself is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of Biblical "Word of Faith".
                  Which in itself is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of Biblical "Faith". 😉
                  ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                    Which in itself is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of Biblical "Faith". 😉
                    "Word Games"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                      "Word Games"
                      You're offering word games... Christianity has identified the followers of Christ... for centuries. Word of Faith is an aberrant religion, less than an hundred years old. So quit playing your game.
                      ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                        You're offering word games... Christianity has identified the followers of Christ... for centuries. Word of Faith is an aberrant religion, less than an hundred years old. So quit playing your game.
                        It's really ALL Games. ALL God's Chilluns gots "Theologies". but whether you like it or not Mark 11:22-24 is an example of practical Word of Faith. believe in your Heart, nothing doubting (have faith), and then you HAVE what you SAY.

                        I know that "doesn't apply to us" - but if it does -

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                          I know that "doesn't apply to us" - but if it does -
                          That's right! It's like the saying, "Nothing God said Christians have the authority to do or say applies to us anymore." It's just a way to remain spiritually lazy. A major problem with that is when sinners are presented the gospel and they look at whose presenting it, they'll think, "If this is an example of Christianity I'm not interested."

                          I'm also aware that if a well-dressed Christian who drives an expensive car presents the gospel to a sinner, they'll then think, "Aw, he's just a phony," and they'll feel justified in not accepting what the Christian is offering.
                          Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                          Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                            It's really ALL Games. ALL God's Chilluns gots "Theologies". but whether you like it or not Mark 11:22-24 is an example of practical Word of Faith. believe in your Heart, nothing doubting (have faith), and then you HAVE what you SAY.

                            I know that "doesn't apply to us" - but if it does -
                            Nice duck and hide. You've obfuscated. Mark 11:22-24 is an example of Faith..., Christian faith. Simple as that.
                            ---> Insert your denial here. <---

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tallen View Post

                              Nice duck and hide. You've obfuscated. Mark 11:22-24 is an example of Faith..., Christian faith. Simple as that.
                              Mark 11:22-25
                              22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23 "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

                              Uh, that's WoF belief. What's different between what you see here and what WoF Christians believe?
                              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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