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Is there any evidence for Noah's flood?

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  • Keith C
    started a topic Is there any evidence for Noah's flood?

    Is there any evidence for Noah's flood?

    This study seems to find no evidence for Noah's flood.

    Study traces ecological collapse over 6,000 years of Egyptian history
    The researchers identified five episodes over the past 6,000 years when dramatic changes occurred in Egypt's mammalian community, three of which coincided with extreme environmental changes as the climate shifted to more arid conditions. These drying periods also coincided with upheaval in human societies, such as the collapse of the Old Kingdom around 4,000 years ago and the fall of the New Kingdom about 3,000 years ago.

    "There were three large pulses of aridification as Egypt went from a wetter to a drier climate, starting with the end of the African Humid Period 5,500 years ago when the monsoons shifted to the south," Yeakel said. "At the same time, human population densities were increasing, and competition for space along the Nile Valley would have had a large impact on animal populations."

    The most recent major shift in mammalian communities occurred about 100 years ago.
    Instead of a flood, the environment becomes progressively drier, starting from about the Earth was supposed to be created.

  • juglans1
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    Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

    We are both blowing smoke out our bums. There are a number of ways to measure the depth of water while on a boat with the tides rising around you.
    Perhaps they just used one of the flood gauges near the river. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...auge&FORM=IGRE

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  • LeoTheLibrarian
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    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    And the draft of Noah's wooden boat would've been much less than 15 cubits, and plenty of today's steel cruise ships would easily float on that particular flood. https://www.cruisemapper.com/wiki/75...h-weight-draft
    We are both blowing smoke out our bums. There are a number of ways to measure the depth of water while on a boat with the tides rising around you.

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  • juglans1
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    Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

    The Ark being 30 cubits, it was enough to lift the Ark off of land. And being halfway up the side when it floated, easy to measure.
    And the draft of Noah's wooden boat would've been much less than 15 cubits, and plenty of today's steel cruise ships would easily float on that particular flood. https://www.cruisemapper.com/wiki/75...h-weight-draft

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  • Aman777
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    Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

    That refers to the local mountains that the writer was aware of.
    It's not written by a globe trekking geologist.

    >>Snip<<<

    People make the assumption that flood scripture was written by a Geologist God, but it was written by people on the Ark.
    False, since ALL Scripture was God the Holy Spirit breathed to the men who penned the words from inside them. 2Ti 3:16

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  • LeoTheLibrarian
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    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    None of that changes the fact that the KJV and Hebrew text clearly says that the particular flood which drowned most of Noah's family was 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood. https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/7-20.htm

    Genesis 7:20 King James Version (KJV)
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;
    and the mountains were covered.

    The Ark being 30 cubits, it was enough to lift the Ark off of land. And being halfway up the side when it floated, easy to measure.

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  • juglans1
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    Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
    You have no power to stop making false claims about the Bible., You publishing your deception tricks which fail. There has never been another flood that covered all the high hills.
    None of that changes the fact that the KJV and Hebrew text clearly says that the particular flood which drowned most of Noah's family was 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood. https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/7-20.htm

    Genesis 7:20 King James Version (KJV)
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;
    and the mountains were covered.


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  • Nouveau
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    You have no power to stop making false claims about the Bible.,



    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    The flood prevailed 15 cubits above the normal river height and subsided like every other similar flood.
    You publishing your deception tricks which fail.

    And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered”
    There has never been another flood that covered all the high hills.

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  • LeoTheLibrarian
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    Originally posted by Aman777 View Post
    What is says is that when the flood reached a depth of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) the mountains on Adam's Flat Earth were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
    That refers to the local mountains that the writer was aware of.
    It's not written by a globe trekking geologist.

    And just because english structure might suggest the water was above the mountains at all, doesn't mean that's what the writer was saying.
    If you stand at the base of a mountain for a year, you get used to it's size.
    If you see all but 100 feet of the tip of the tallet covered in water, and the rest of the other 20 hills gone, you'd still say "the mountains were covered."
    And no matter what, the writer only had his view from the boat. You can see up to 12 miles in any direction at sea. If there were mountains
    you could see them 50 - 100 miles away, possibly.

    People make the assumption that flood scripture was written by a Geologist God, but it was written by people on the Ark.

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  • juglans1
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    Originally posted by tiburon View Post

    Yes but 15 cubits high compared to what?
    The flood prevailed 15 cubits above the normal river height and subsided like every other similar flood.

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  • Aman777
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    Originally posted by tiburon View Post

    Yes but 15 cubits high compared to what?
    What is says is that when the flood reached a depth of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) the mountains on Adam's Flat Earth were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

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  • tiburon
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    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that less than 10% ever bother to go to church now and that over 30% have no religious beliefs, nor that even Blind Freddy can see that the KJV & the Hebrew text clearly says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was only 15 cubits high.
    Yes but 15 cubits high compared to what?

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  • Aman777
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    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    Alas, however, I didn't write the bible. But either way it still doesn't change the fact the Genesis creation stories are just pure fantasy with no more credibility than other creation stories.
    Thanks for admitting your deception. You wouldn't want the newbies to be confused or maybe that is your intention?

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  • juglans1
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    Originally posted by Timtofly View Post

    It is all your fault? You have it all figured out, and now by your claims, the status quo has changed?
    Doesn't change the fact that less than 10% ever bother to go to church now and that over 30% have no religious beliefs, nor that even Blind Freddy can see that the KJV & the Hebrew text clearly says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was only 15 cubits high.

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  • Timtofly
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    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    And that's why less than 10% ever bother to go to church now, and why over 30% claimed to have no religious beliefs on the last census compared to 22% on the previous census. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....258148000E2B85
    It is all your fault? You have it all figured out, and now by your claims, the status quo has changed?

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