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    just toys?


    fusilier

    James 2:24
    Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chemist.

    fusilier
    James 2:24

  • #2
    The cave lion looks like a fishing hand line. The button might be religious.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by fusilier View Post
      just toys?


      fusilier

      James 2:24
      I would guess that toys were pretty rare. Let's assume that most ancient children were
      not affluent middle class. Most would play with common items that were normally used.
      - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

        I would guess that toys were pretty rare. Let's assume that most ancient children were
        not affluent middle class. Most would play with common items that were normally used.
        Define "ancient". Are we discussing palaeolithic peoples or early civilisations?
        "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts." [E B White: 1899-1985]

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        • #5
          I think the button is an amulet or other decoration. Button toys have two holes near the center. It can't spin with just one hole.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Balam's A** View Post
            I think the button is an amulet or other decoration. Button toys have two holes near the center. It can't spin with just one hole.
            That's a good point. I had a hard time making it spin in my head.
            - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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            • #7
              On the subject of amulets, Duke has a great papyrus copy of the Lord's prayer w/doxology which was worn as an amulet. It's my current screen saver.

              https://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/...cords/778.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Balam's A** View Post
                I think the button is an amulet or other decoration. Button toys have two holes near the center. It can't spin with just one hole.
                Yet it does spin as the video demonstrates.

                We need to be careful because the idea of toys and childhood activities being distinct from those of adults is a relatively recent idea.

                In upper palaeolithic societies childhood, as we understand it, may not have existed. Life was short and brutal for most individuals and play may have had a more direct underlying application i.e to learn skills needed to survive. We have no information on whether children would have had time to play as we comprehend the activity, despite the evidence from extant hunter-gatherer societies that children do play.

                However, it is dangerous to attempt to retroject social behaviours that exist today back tens of thousand of years to our earlier ancestors. The clumsy repair of hunting weapons may have had more to do with honing skills to produce well made weapons than merely playing with such artefacts.

                The spinning button dating from the same period may have been a form of conjuring magic. We simply do not know.

                I think Dr Garroway is over extending her assumptions about artefacts dating from 3,000 years ago, by which time, in the ancient near east, most humans were settled into agrarian communities back towards life in the upper palaeolithic.
                "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts." [E B White: 1899-1985]

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