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  • #91
    Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

    So, in the context of what we’re talking about, this means....what? Can you break it down for me, please?
    I wish I could. Try this site...Setterfield simplified

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
      ...<snip>...I've always believed in an old earth but since I've been going to the Lutheran LCMS ..<snip>..
      That is reasonable.

      a.) Biblically we see: ( Jeremiah 33:25-26 )

      " But I, the LORD, make the following promise: I have made a covenant governing the coming of day and night. I have established the fixed laws governing heaven and earth. " - underline mine

      ( Setterfield is incorrect. )

      b.) Using ordinary simple geometry we see:

      " direct geometric distance measurement to a galaxy called NGC 4258, 23.5 million light-years from Earth "

      c.)There is a growing body of evidence that we live in a universe defined by constant laws and they are invariant by one part in 1017. That is a small variance of 0.00000000000000001.

      The takeaway for this discussion is that:

      The universe and the Earth are ancient. Very ancient. The laws are fixed by God. Very fixed. God promised this in Jeremiah 33:25-26.
      Last edited by inertia; 02-17-19, 03:51 PM.
      "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

      Heisenberg
      .....................

      " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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      • #93
        Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

        I wish I could. Try this site...Setterfield simplified
        Still over my head, CrowCross........ Is Setterfield saying (in his academically confusing way), that he has a likely, workable theory as to how starlight believed to be millions of light years away actually reaches earth in 10,000 years or less?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

          Still over my head, CrowCross........ Is Setterfield saying (in his academically confusing way), that he has a likely, workable theory as to how starlight believed to be millions of light years away actually reaches earth in 10,000 years or less?
          Yes.

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          • #95
            https://answersingenesis.org/media/v...ant-starlight/

            Dont know now if I posted this already or not but I found two of his videos.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
              https://answersingenesis.org/media/v...ant-starlight/

              Dont know now if I posted this already or not but I found two of his videos.
              What do you all think of Dr. Jason Lisle and his presentation?

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                What do you all think of Dr. Jason Lisle and his presentation?
                1.) Jason rapidly mixes physics with evolutionary biology. ( One doesn't automatically imply the other, right? )

                2.) Although he doesn't endorse the idea of the speed of light decay, he continues to validate it as a potential reality. It's not. --> Experimental physics: Variation on the fine-structure constant

                3.) Concerning Gravitational Time Dilation, tests using unmodified General Relativity definitively falsify both a nonexpanding universe model and a young-universe model. ( Credit: Jason openly admits using "alternate boundary conditions" to fit a young-universe model into his beliefs. )

                4.) Jason's "alternate clock synchrony" alters physics in order to fit his young-universe belief system. In reality, the time interval between two clocks in an inertial reference frame = their separation divided by the speed of light.
                "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

                Heisenberg
                .....................

                " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by inertia View Post

                  The Bible supports an expanding universe. Please see my previous post with the video link that provides the supporting scripture.

                  - I place myself within the old-earth camp of Christianity.
                  Do you have the supporting a Scripture? The video is all messed up and I canít access it.

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                  • #99
                    I donít like one of the three churches Iíve visited, and two of them believe in a young universe. One of the two agree with....was it inertiaís Church?.....that since this isnít a salvation issue they donít make much of it.
                    Nevertheless, they both do believe in a young earth. Im still looking for more help here.

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                    • Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                      Do you have the supporting a Scripture? The video is all messed up and I can’t access it.
                      The label "Big Bang" is misnamed. A better "name" for creation that didn't stick is the "Everywhere Stretch" theory.

                      Supporting scriptures:

                      Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1. Job 37:18
                      "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

                      Heisenberg
                      .....................

                      " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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                      • Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post
                        I don’t like one of the three churches I’ve visited, and two of them believe in a young universe. One of the two agree with....was it inertia’s Church?.....that since this isn’t a salvation issue they don’t make much of it.
                        Nevertheless, they both do believe in a young earth. Im still looking for more help here.

                        I (inertia) go to a church where the pastor believes in the young earth paradigm. No one says that one must believe in a young earth in order to earn your salvation or to officially be a Christian.

                        Here is a list ---> denominations

                        Hope it is helpful

                        "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

                        Heisenberg
                        .....................

                        " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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                        • Originally posted by inertia View Post


                          I (inertia) go to a church where the pastor believes in the young earth paradigm. No one says that one must believe in a young earth in order to earn your salvation or to officially be a Christian.

                          Here is a list ---> denominations

                          Hope it is helpful
                          Iím pretty sure both churches that I like think the same as yours, but it really bothers me that my beliefs donít lineup with theirs, perfectly. If I remained Catholic, this wouldnít be an issue but the more I think about my Catholic Church, the more I want to leave.

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                          • Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                            I’m pretty sure both churches that I like think the same as yours, but it really bothers me that my beliefs don’t lineup with theirs, perfectly. If I remained Catholic, this wouldn’t be an issue but the more I think about my Catholic Church, the more I want to leave.
                            If you are specifically looking for a church where science and faith converge, here is an idea that might work for you: ---> Get Involved
                            "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

                            Heisenberg
                            .....................

                            " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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                            • Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                              Iím pretty sure both churches that I like think the same as yours, but it really bothers me that my beliefs donít lineup with theirs, perfectly. If I remained Catholic, this wouldnít be an issue but the more I think about my Catholic Church, the more I want to leave.
                              - Note: It's not possible for one to -earn- salvation. Salvation is only through Jesus.


                              " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works so that no one can boast. " ( Ephesians 2:8-9 )

                              The good news:

                              " I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life." - Jesus ( John 5:24 )
                              Last edited by inertia; 03-05-19, 11:27 AM.
                              "The exact sciences also start from the assumption that in the end it will always be possible to understand nature, even in every new field of experience, but that we make no a priori assumptions about the meaning of the word "understand"."

                              Heisenberg
                              .....................

                              " It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of a king to search out a matter. " ( Proverbs 25:2 )

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                              • Originally posted by inertia View Post

                                - Note: It's not possible for one to -earn- salvation. Salvation is only through Jesus.


                                " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works so that no one can boast. " ( Ephesians 2:8-9 )

                                The good news:

                                " I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life." - Jesus ( John 5:24 )
                                And that's why none of the OT characters were saved, and why Moses & Noah & Abraham etc never went to heaven (John 3:13), and why none of Jesus' family (including his mother and her husband) were saved and went to heaven since they didn't believe that their son and brother was a prophet either (Matt 13:55-58 John 7:5).
                                ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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