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  • #61
    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    Educate yourself on the difference between what Jesus said and what Paul said since they never met
    Wrong. They met on the road to Damascus. Seriously man, your ignorance of scripture is astounding. Stick with muttering about Abe's meal and two Adams At least that's unintentionally amusing.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

      Wrong. They met on the road to Damascus. Seriously man, your ignorance of scripture is astounding. Stick with muttering about Abe's meal and two Adams At least that's unintentionally amusing.
      No they didn't. All it says is that Paul supposedly heard a voice, . The name Jesus was a common name then, and it could have been anyone including the bloke Paul got the thorn in the flesh from, or Jesus the gardener. Or just a metaphorical way of saying that Paul had a change of mind. Where do the gospels say that Paul and Jesus ever met, given that the gospels were written long after Paul and Jesus had died. Where do the gospels contradict what Matt 5:17-19 says - that OT law still applies until heaven and earth pass? Or is Jesus and what he said irrelevant to your particular version of Christianity?
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      • #63
        Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
        No they didn't.
        Your evidence is?
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        • #64
          Originally posted by ferengi View Post

          Your evidence is?
          The bible.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
            The bible.
            IOW you have no evidence - like you have no evidence "creation is a myth".
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            • #66
              Originally posted by ferengi View Post

              IOW you have no evidence - like you have no evidence "creation is a myth".
              And what evidence do you have to support your assertion that the bible isn't evidence?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                And what evidence do you have to support your assertion that the bible isn't evidence?
                Still no evidence "creation is a myth".
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

                  Wrong. They met on the road to Damascus. Seriously man, your ignorance of scripture is astounding. Stick with muttering about Abe's meal and two Adams At least that's unintentionally amusing.
                  They never met. The account given in Acts is a far more exciting encounter than the one related by Paul in his authentic epistles.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

                    I did. I found no Christian listed advocating slaughtering people. So why did you lie?
                    People who called themselves Christians and also advocated or ordered the slaughter of infidels and heretics are also known as Christians.

                    You, personally, may not agree they are Christians at all. Who cares what your particular personal definition of Christian is? You could rule out anybody as being Christian as long as you keep your particular personal definition of Christianity in your pocket, never admit what definition you are using, and dance around claiming you've 'found no Christians listed advocating slaughter'.

                    As if your particular personal definition of "Christian" is more definitive than the widely accepted definition, which is a worshiper of YHWH and follower of Jesus Christ. Who cares what your personal definition is? If yours is so important, than so is everyone else's, and most so-called Christians on this forum aren't really Christians according to someone else.
                    Why are you lying by pretending to refer to a widely accepted definition of "Christian" when you aren't? What a ridiculous little dance you are doing. Do you feel personally insulted or blamed when Christianity's bloody history is mentioned? Why? Are you normally this self centered? It's not about you. It's about wayward adherents to your religion. Human beings screw it up, especially when politics get involved, as the conservative Christian Right has become. RW politics and conservative "Christian" 'doctrine' are practically indistinguishable and this is a problem. It's how adherents of your religion abandoned the teachings of your Savior in favor of grabbing power and influence, much like modern conservatives do today.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by ferengi View Post

                      Still no evidence "creation is a myth".
                      Presumably that's part of your evidence to support your assertion that the bible isn't evidence.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        They never met..
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kastewart View Post
                          People who called themselves Christians and also advocated or ordered the slaughter of infidels and heretics are also known as Christians.
                          How can they be Christians when they advocate and acted upon beliefs that contradict the person and teaching of Christ?
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by JamesTheLesser View Post

                            Correct.



                            There isn't any.



                            It is not a revelation.



                            One simply cannot do something in Christ's name He never commanded to do in His name.

                            One can claim it, yes.
                            Exactly. And that is all that matters as far as history is concerned. People who claim to do such-and-such in Christ's name are not distinguishable from people actually doing such-and-such in Christ's name. There are only claims and beliefs and testimonies of people who insist their claims and beliefs are specially authoritative. People can and do say anything to justify themselves. Claiming supernatural justification doesn't increase the authority of the claim, except among fellow believers, and even then there's plenty of doubt.

                            I have no issue saying the Roman Catholic church is awash with evil deeds, for example.
                            Me either, past and present. Protestant fundamentalism perpetuates its own modern evils and special claims to divine authority, but hasn't had the political clout the RCC did and does. It is made up of human beings doing their thang with unfortunate consequences that turn out to not be exactly 'scriptural'. Secularism mitigates what could happen by leveling the playing field, so it's just human beings doing their own perverse power grabs without any claims to so-called divine authority. The latter mobilizes too many people into insane religious frenzies, where so-called divine authority is claimed to justify very human atrocities.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                              No they didn't.
                              And yet they did.

                              All it says is that Paul supposedly heard a voice,
                              Wrong. It says a great deal more. Don't you ever get tired being wrong all the time?
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                They never met.
                                And yet they did. Haven't gotten to that part yet? Stick with being dishonest about what Luther and Calvin said. You'v had enough blunders in one day.


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