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  • Ecclesiastes question

    This posting is not intended to be a debated topic. I'm simply looking for secular/atheistic thoughts on the book of Ecclesiastes. Let us cut to the chase however. Yes, I am well aware that you probably think of the Bible as a collection of fairy stories and fiction. With that out of the way, I would like to know your thoughts on the actual content in the book. What is the book discussing? What literary devices are being used? What are some of the sub points? Finally, how do you evaluate it's message(s)?

    Yes, I'm also aware of the source critical views as well, but could we please keep this focused upon the actual content of the book. If you decide to comment, thanks for your time.

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    Originally posted by His clay View Post
    This posting is not intended to be a debated topic. I'm simply looking for secular/atheistic thoughts on the book of Ecclesiastes. Let us cut to the chase however. Yes, I am well aware that you probably think of the Bible as a collection of fairy stories and fiction. With that out of the way, I would like to know your thoughts on the actual content in the book. What is the book discussing? What literary devices are being used? What are some of the sub points? Finally, how do you evaluate it's message(s)?

    Yes, I'm also aware of the source critical views as well, but could we please keep this focused upon the actual content of the book. If you decide to comment, thanks for your time.
    I believe in God, but I'm not a Christian, but my answer now is identical to when I was an atheist. Hope it's ok that I answer.

    Probably the most thought provoking book in the Bible. Certainly many truths/principles within.

    1. The book is discussing "truths" and musings on universal principles according to the content and the author.

    2. There are various literary devices used throughout. Not sure which to focus on to address the concerns?

    3. Gosh, there's tons of sub points. More than half is bound to be sub points.

    4. I evaluate its message personally..the way it makes the most sense to me and my life and through the lens of various philosophical viewpoints.

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    • #3
      Like Zaphod, I am neither a Christian nor an atheist.

      I understand the book of Ecclesiastes to be exploring the human condition; more specifically, the meaning and significance of human life is discussed.

      There seems to be several literary devices used. One in particular that I detect is subtle satire, though I wonder if that is my own interpretation.

      I think the subpoints consist mainly of conclusions on the vanity and perceived ultimate meaninglessness of facets of human living and ambition.

      I believe the book of Ecclesiastes to be profoundly human and personal, if that makes sense. At times, it reads like a diary of sorts, offering glimpses into the author's perception and insight on the human condition. Above all, I think the book can be approached and appreciated by anyone, carrying what baggage of humanity they may.
      "Such are the things that men call good and beautiful, Asclepius - things which we cannot flee or hate; for hardest thing of all is that we've need of them and cannot live without them." - Corpus Hermeticum, VI.6b

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      • #4
        Originally posted by His clay View Post
        This posting is not intended to be a debated topic. I'm simply looking for secular/atheistic thoughts on the book of Ecclesiastes. Let us cut to the chase however. Yes, I am well aware that you probably think of the Bible as a collection of fairy stories and fiction. With that out of the way, I would like to know your thoughts on the actual content in the book. What is the book discussing? What literary devices are being used? What are some of the sub points? Finally, how do you evaluate it's message(s)?

        Yes, I'm also aware of the source critical views as well, but could we please keep this focused upon the actual content of the book. If you decide to comment, thanks for your time.
        the musings of a man who had experienced ALL life has to offer and came to one conclusion toward the end of his life.
        "Vanity, all is vanity"
        He deprives the leaders of the earth of their reason; he makes them wander in a trackless waste.
        Job 12:24

        Tick Tock, Israel is Yahweh's clock.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zaphod View Post

          I believe in God, but I'm not a Christian, but my answer now is identical to when I was an atheist. Hope it's ok that I answer.

          Probably the most thought provoking book in the Bible. Certainly many truths/principles within.

          1. The book is discussing "truths" and musings on universal principles according to the content and the author.

          2. There are various literary devices used throughout. Not sure which to focus on to address the concerns?

          3. Gosh, there's tons of sub points. More than half is bound to be sub points.

          4. I evaluate its message personally..the way it makes the most sense to me and my life and through the lens of various philosophical viewpoints.
          Thanks for taking the time to let me know your thoughts. I'm using my phone, so my post will be brief.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by junkyardboy View Post

            the musings of a man who had experienced ALL life has to offer and came to one conclusion toward the end of his life.
            "Vanity, all is vanity"
            Thanks junkyardboy,
            Do you fall under the atheist, agnostic, or secular label, with reference to your beliefs?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CelticSpice View Post
              Like Zaphod, I am neither a Christian nor an atheist.

              I understand the book of Ecclesiastes to be exploring the human condition; more specifically, the meaning and significance of human life is discussed.

              There seems to be several literary devices used. One in particular that I detect is subtle satire, though I wonder if that is my own interpretation.

              I think the subpoints consist mainly of conclusions on the vanity and perceived ultimate meaninglessness of facets of human living and ambition.

              I believe the book of Ecclesiastes to be profoundly human and personal, if that makes sense. At times, it reads like a diary of sorts, offering glimpses into the author's perception and insight on the human condition. Above all, I think the book can be approached and appreciated by anyone, carrying what baggage of humanity they may.
              Very interesting response that deserves a bit more comment than my phone will allow at the moment. Thanks for the thoughts!

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