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  • stiggywiggy
    started a topic Let's summarize

    Let's summarize

    CARM atheists are on record, here at CARM, condemning slavery.
    We can find no record of God condemning slavery.
    Therefore CARM atheists are more moral than God.


  • gus bovona
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    Originally posted by highrigger View Post

    This is nonsense. Instead of condemning every bad act Jesus taught Gods Law in Luke 10:25-37 with a the example in a parable.

    I find it hard to believe that you really think you meet Gods Law. Jesus taught the substance of Gods Law which is love of neighbor as ourselves.

    It is that principle that led to the abandonment of slavery in the US and the world.

    JohnR
    Wouldn't be more clear to mention the more heinous bad acts specifically and by name to remove even more possibility of people misinterpreting a more broad and general point? The specific bad acts could be enumerated as well as the more general point be laid out in a parable. Both approaches could be taken to maximize understanding and communication.

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  • highrigger
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    Originally posted by Lighthearted Athiest View Post

    False. Empirical evidence created at the time of the event is proof. The field of destruction and Nazi equipment in front of Volgograd is evidence of the battle of Stalingrad in WWII. The coins minted with Alexander the Great's image on them is evidence of Alexander the Great. The Pilate Stone is 1st century empirical evidence that Pontius Pilate existed.

    There is no such evidence of Jesus. Not one Roman record of the Jewish uprising. Not one letter or parchment from any Disciple of Jesus exists. There are no carvings of Jesus name in any stone tablet.

    Historical Empirical Evidence and proof absolutely exists. There just isn't any for Jesus.
    Plenty of solid evidence of Jesus. You just will not abide by it.

    One example: The famous Dead Sea Scrolls scholar Robert Eisenman says in his book James the brother of Jesus on page 65

    "The equation is simple - If James existed - which he undoubtedly did - then Jesus existed as well"

    No well known historians say Jesus did not exist. You make silly claims but know so little of the history.

    JohnR

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  • highrigger
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    Originally posted by gus bovona View Post
    Premise 1: It is more moral to condemn slavery than to not condemn slavery.
    Premise 2: We can find no record of God condemning slavery.
    Premise 3: Carm atheists have condemned slavery.
    Conclusion: Until we find a record of God condemning slavery, Carm atheists are more moral than God.
    This is nonsense. Instead of condemning every bad act Jesus taught Gods Law in Luke 10:25-37 with a the example in a parable.

    I find it hard to believe that you really think you meet Gods Law. Jesus taught the substance of Gods Law which is love of neighbor as ourselves.

    It is that principle that led to the abandonment of slavery in the US and the world.

    JohnR

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  • D Laurier
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    Each carrying their own brand of "truth"?
    Nope.

    Was it "true" that, back in 1990, Pluto was our ninth planet?
    Only in the sense that we did not yet have a clear definition for the word "planet", and so Pluto was considered a planet.
    Why do you still fixate on this?

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  • AV1611VET
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    Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
    They were superseded by a better type of scholar.
    Each carrying their own brand of "truth"?

    Was it "true" that, back in 1990, Pluto was our ninth planet?

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  • D Laurier
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    Assuming I believe that (which I don't), did they implode under their own lies?
    No AV. They did not implode at all. They were superseded by a better type of scholar. And they either adapted, or died out in obscurity.
    And your refusal to believe facts and evidence, is your own failing.

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  • AV1611VET
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    Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
    Academians died out long before the creation of the things you attribute to them.
    Assuming I believe that (which I don't), did they implode under their own lies?

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  • D Laurier
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post

    Yes, indeed.
    Academians died out long before the creation of the things you attribute to them.
    The last academians were among those who taught the young Mr Darwin when he was a schoolboy.
    Old men by that time, they guided him to reject the idea of evolution. It was their last stand.
    The heyday of the academians was the Renaissance and Baroque periods. 1450 to 1600, and 1600 to 1750.
    After 1750, they were swept aside by reason, as the enlightenment swept over Europe.

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  • AV1611VET
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    Originally posted by D Laurier View Post

    A better steel for making armour for knights. A closer calculation for Easter. A better sextant for navigating the treasure ships of the king of Spain.
    Yes, indeed.

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  • D Laurier
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    We plebeians and koine are being ousted by academians.

    They march forward with improved creature comforts, medicine, first responders, safety features, and so on.

    Many sacrifice their own lives so we can live better ones.

    But what they leave in their wake ... well ... I'll stop there.
    A better steel for making armour for knights. A closer calculation for Easter. A better sextant for navigating the treasure ships of the king of Spain.

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  • ferengi
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    Originally posted by Lighthearted Athiest View Post
    . Not one letter or parchment from any Disciple of Jesus exists. There just isn't any for Jesus.
    Unsupported - prove it

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  • MarkUK
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    So if they found an ark made of wood, painted inside and out with pitch, but no nails, bolts, screws, or fasteners, that would convince you Noah's ark was real?

    Seriously?

    I contend it would only make it worse.

    Science wants evidence, but not to confirm the Bible, but to reject It.
    What makes you think science wants the Bible not to be true?

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  • LeoTheLibrarian
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    Originally posted by Lighthearted Athiest View Post
    False. Empirical evidence created at the time of the event is proof. The field of destruction and Nazi equipment in front of Volgograd is evidence of the battle of Stalingrad in WWII. The coins minted with Alexander the Great's image on them is evidence of Alexander the Great. The Pilate Stone is 1st century empirical evidence that Pontius Pilate existed.There is no such evidence of Jesus. Not one Roman record of the Jewish uprising. Not one letter or parchment from any Disciple of Jesus exists. There are no carvings of Jesus name in any stone tablet.Historical Empirical Evidence and proof absolutely exists. There just isn't any for Jesus.
    There is no evidence of falsification of the records. Nor motive for the death of each disciple. No evidence that anyone historically disputed Jesus or the stories.

    - Flavius Josephus was a Jewish politician, soldier, and historian who lived around AD 37-100. He was born in Jerusalem shortly after Christ’s crucifixion. As his father, Matthias, was a highly respected priest, Josephus was born into a family that would have been acutely aware of the early Jesus followers, a movement that would have been viewed as a threat to Judaism. He may have even heard some of the apostles preach in prison.

    Scholars view Josephus as the single most important Jewish historian of the ancient world. Among his works, Josephus penned Antiquities of the Jews, to explain the Jewish people and their beliefs to the Romans, in an effort to reduce anti-Jewish bigotry. Antiquities is important in our investigation of the historicity of Jesus.

    In Antiquities 20.200, for example, Josephus writes about the death of James, at the instigation of the Jewish high priest Ananus. Josephus clearly labels James the brother of Jesus “who was called Christ.” By including these details, he offers us a clear, non-Christian attestation of the historicity of Jesus.

    - Cornelius Tacitus, another important Roman historian, lived approximately between AD 56 and 120. Modern historians view his Annals (which covers Roman emperors Augustus to Nero) to be the best source of information about this period in Roman history.

    It is from Tacitus, for example, that we know that Nero blamed a devastating fire that happened in Rome in AD 64 on Christians. Wrote Tacitus: “Therefore, to squelch the rumor, Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people call ‘Christians,’ hated for their abominable crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate.”

    Though scholars do not know where Tacitus obtained the information he used in Annals, they know he had access to the Acta Senatus, the Roman Senate’s archives of its activities. Those Roman records could have contained reports of Jesus’ crucifixion, and he could have retrieved the details from there. Or he could have learned the facts while he was proconsul in Asia.

    Tacitus’ writing confirm the New Testament accounts that Tiberius and Pilate were in power when Jesus was crucified. Tacitus also points to the continued growth of Christianity in the years shortly after Jesus died, as reported in the New Testament book of Acts. His report clearly demonstrates the remarkable resolve of Jesus’ earliest followers, and the growth of the movement Jesus founded. It is because Tacitus is held in such high esteem by modern historians that his Annals carry such weight. https://www.josh.org/evidence-jesus-lived/

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  • Whatsisface
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    Originally posted by JamesTheLesser View Post

    Correct, you were making a daft point, as I pointed out already.
    You don't understand why I made the point. You often don't with others, which is why you dodge instead of engaging with what's said.

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