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Question for atheists who reject all beliefs for which there is no empirical evidence

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  • Question for atheists who reject all beliefs for which there is no empirical evidence

    Do you believe child rape is wrong?

    If so, could you please provide empirical evidence for your belief?




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  • #2
    Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post
    Do you believe child rape is wrong?

    If so, could you please provide empirical evidence for your belief?
    I donít believe child rape is wrong, I KNOW it is wrong.

    No, I cannot provide empirical evidence that child rape is wrong. I know it is wrong by applying the moral standards by which I know any action is right or wrong. Anyone who doesnít know child rape is wrong is someone Iím not interested in having any conversations with unless it is some sort of scientific study to serve a purpose in fighting crime or whatever.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zaphod View Post

      I donít believe child rape is wrong, I KNOW it is wrong.

      No, I cannot provide empirical evidence that child rape is wrong.
      Yet you know it is. Have you ever made a CARM post criticizing Christians for holding beliefs for which they can provide no empirical evidence?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

        Yet you know it is. Have you ever made a CARM post criticizing Christians for holding beliefs for which they can provide no empirical evidence?
        Only if they are asking me to believe something because otherwise bad things will happen to me. If I was interested in changing someoneís mind to my perspective on baby rape, I would appeal to their sense of morality. I wouldnít use empirical evidence and I wouldnít threaten them with an eternity of fiery torture.

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        • #5
          Please disregard my responses. You changed your title AFTER I posted. I am not an atheist and I believe plenty of ideas without empirical evidence. So Iím doubly disqualified from being your intended recipient.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zaphod View Post

            Only if they are asking me to believe something because otherwise bad things will happen to me. If I was interested in changing someone’s mind to my perspective on baby rape, I would appeal to their sense of morality. I wouldn’t use empirical evidence and I wouldn’t threaten them with an eternity of fiery torture.
            So if you admit there are things you believe without being able to provide empirical evidence, aren't you being hypocritical when you criticize Christians for the same thing?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post
              Do you believe child rape is wrong?

              If so, could you please provide empirical evidence for your belief?
              The bruises and physical injury that result from said rape. The observable emotional trauma that results.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Zaphod View Post
                Please disregard my responses. You changed your title AFTER I posted.
                That is not true.

                But thanks for revealing your inconsistency.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Whatsisface View Post

                  The bruises and physical injury that result from said rape. The observable emotional trauma that results.
                  Can you provide empirical evidence for your belief that causing such trauma is wrong?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

                    Can you provide empirical evidence for your belief that causing such trauma is wrong?
                    Yes. I'll come round your house and cause similar injury to you, your wife and kids, and ask you if what was done was wrong or not. Or will you ask for empirical evidence as to whether what I'd done was wrong or not before calling the police?
                    Last edited by Whatsisface; 09-07-19, 08:33 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Whatsisface View Post

                      Yes. I'll come round your house and cause similar injury to you, your wife and kids, and ask you if what was done was wrong. Or will you ask for empirical evidence as to whether what I'd done was wrong or not?
                      I would not. I know it's wrong without empirical evidence. So I take it that you have never criticized Christians for holding beliefs for which they have no empirical evidence. Fine.

                      How about you, HRG?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post

                        I would not. I know it's wrong without empirical evidence.
                        So do I. But the empirical evidence is part of why it's wrong. So what's your point?

                        Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post
                        So I take it that you have never criticized Christians for holding beliefs for which they have no empirical evidence. Fine.
                        I have criticised Christians for holding beliefs with no demonstrable evidence be it empirical or otherwise.

                        "My own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." JBS Haldane.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zaphod View Post

                          I don’t believe child rape is wrong, I KNOW it is wrong.

                          No, I cannot provide empirical evidence that child rape is wrong.
                          Your words in one of your OPs:

                          ......god belief is NOT rocket science. Rocket science can be demonstrated and independently verified by experiment and measurement. No such verification or demonstration is possible with Christianity
                          Can OUR belief that child rape is wrong "be demonstrated and independently verified by experiment and measurement?"
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stiggywiggy View Post
                            Do you believe child rape is wrong?

                            If so, could you please provide empirical evidence for your belief?



                            As we got to in another thread, beliefs that claim something external to ones consciousness -like trees and gods - do require empirical evidence for rational belief. Beliefs or perceptions without referent to something outside consciousness- like qualia - cant have empirical evidence.

                            Dont confuse in that distinction the qualia of perceiving a tree with a claim that a tree exists The qualia is all within consciousness, the tree isnít.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Whatsisface View Post

                              So do I. But the empirical evidence is part of why it's wrong.
                              What empirical evidence? Can you present it?

                              I have criticised Christians for holding beliefs with no demonstrable evidence be it empirical or otherwise.
                              So explain why you're not being hypocritical for holding your belief that child rape is wrong while being incapable of providing demonstrable evidence that it is.
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