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So no evidence for ID or creationism right?

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  • Originally posted by dneh View Post

    Gibberish.

    The survivors continued to evolve. No need for abiogenesis, no need for the evolution of multicellularity. It might have taken a hundred million years to reach the same level of diversity - if in fact it ever did.

    It doesn't matter. Even during the the Permian extinction there were survivors. But life endured.

    The survivors evolved.

    It's not a difficult concept.
    We are not talking about abiogenesis here and instead it would take about a hundred million years or so for each species to evolve.We are not talking about multiceullularity starting over and instead we are talking about the time needed for the billions of the transitionals between each species and those species to have evolved.

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    • Originally posted by Nathan p View Post
      We are not talking about abiogenesis here and instead it would take about a hundred million years or so for each species to evolve.We are not talking about multiceullularity starting over and instead we are talking about the time needed for the billions of the transitionals between each species and those species to have evolved.
      Again. Numbers you have pulled out your backside.

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      • Originally posted by ferengi View Post

        Circular logic - show us there is a lack
        So you have no evidence...nothing has changed
        "Kids & Adults love Fairy Tale Ark exhibit" - Ken Ham

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        • Originally posted by dneh View Post

          Again. Numbers you have pulled out your backside.
          Are you saying there would not have been billions of transitionals between each of the new species that evolved to make up for the ones that went extinct?

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          • Originally posted by Nathan p View Post
            Are you saying there would not have been billions of transitionals between each of the new species that evolved to make up for the ones that went extinct?
            You really have no idea how life works. Unlike some others, I have no inclination to point out the idiocies; but I will ridicule them.
            "Kids & Adults love Fairy Tale Ark exhibit" - Ken Ham

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            • Originally posted by Nathan p View Post
              Are you saying there would not have been billions of transitionals between each of the new species that evolved to make up for the ones that went extinct?
              Your claim. Burden of proof is yours.

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              • Originally posted by ferengi View Post
                Circular logic - show us there is a lack
                Certainly. Your post asserting that the question was loaded did not contain any supporting evidence. Hence there is an obvious lack of evidence by observation of your post.

                Here is the evidence of the lack of evidence in your post:

                Originally posted by ferengi View Post
                loaded question - present evidence there is none
                rossum
                The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                • Originally posted by Promethean View Post
                  So you have no evidence...
                  Unsupported .....nothing has changed
                  "darwin/nature is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance"óme

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                  • Originally posted by rossum View Post
                    Certainly. Your post asserting that the question was loaded did not contain any supporting evidence. Hence there is an obvious lack of evidence by observation of your post.Here is the evidence of the lack of evidence in your post:
                    Still no evidence
                    "darwin/nature is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance"óme

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                    • Proof of how we reproduced when we were still mushrooms....





                      Reproduction. ... Perfect fungi reproduce both sexuallyand asexually, while imperfect fungi reproduce only asexually (by mitosis). In both sexual and asexualreproduction, fungi produce spores that disperse from the parent organism by either floating on the wind or hitching a ride on an animal.





                      We were hitchhikers on non existent animals.....LOL

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                      • Originally posted by ferengi View Post
                        Still no evidence
                        Thank you for agreeing with my point ferengi. Your earlier post contained no evidence.

                        rossum
                        The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                        • Originally posted by Promethean View Post

                          You really have no idea how life works. Unlike some others, I have no inclination to point out the idiocies; but I will ridicule them.
                          He seems to think that every generation is a "transitional". edit/divisive violation
                          Last edited by CARM Admin; 05-16-18, 01:24 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                            Originally posted by phoenix702 View Post
                            Originally posted by Truther View Post
                            Life begets rock, rocks beget life.....quote
                            Phoenix 702
                            Do you believe rocks beget life?
                            Repeating your quote mine won't make it into fact and I've already answered your question as is readily observable HERE in Post #1904, 05-10-18.

                            Having minerals provide an environment where the chemistry of life could begin IS NOT the same thing as claiming that rocks as human ancestors and to try and assert the article says such a thing requires some rather outrageous "spin"

                            But hey, you've obviously got no scientific evidence for your creationist yarns, so such diversionary beat-downs on laughable strawmen such as mushrooms and rocks are human ancestors is obviously "as good as it gets" for your case.
                            Just because we have minerals in us that are found in the earth does not make us a former rock.
                            NO ONE, other than YOU, Truther, have asserted humans are "former rock[s]" and as the link to my post shows, that claim is complete bunk, as was your equally ridiculous assertion that mushrooms are the ancestors of humans, ROFL!

                            Originally posted by Truther View Post
                            We are made from the dust by God,.......
                            1. You do know that "dust" is NOTHING but weathered ROCK, yes?
                            • Any "dust" during "creation" would have been organic-compound free (no carbon compounds such as found in all living things) because there was supposedly no death before "the Fall", a particularly vile travesty of justice known as "corruption of the blood" (a vicious injustice actually outlawed in the very secular US Constitution HERE, a taste of why it should be/remain secular HERE and HERE), in which one's descendants are regarded as guilty of/fatally contaminated by ("none are righteous, not one", "deserve only damnation"), the "sin"/responsible for the crimes of their progenitors.
                            • Now since you assert humanity is made from "dust" (nothing but particles of weathered rock), often translated as "dirt" in some of the many versions of your Bible [1] that means that all humans are nothing but "former rocks" via "DIRT"-daddy Adam.
                            • But unfortunately, no human being (or any other life-form for that matter) is silicon-based as would be the case IF one was a "former rock" or dust/DIRT of the ground which is nothing but weathered or eroded rock (yes, there's a difference between "weathered" and "eroded").
                            • The chemical composition of the "former rock", e.g., DIRT-daddy Adam, versus the actual chemical composition of humans/all other life-forms is documented in TABLE 1 showing that the chemical composition of the "former rock"/"dust/dirt of the ground" DOES NOT MATCH the actual chemical composition of the human body.
                            TABLE 1 - Major Elements in the Earth's Crust VS Major Elements in the Humans
                            Element Percent by Volume Element Percent by Volume
                            Oxygen 46.60% Oxygen 65%
                            Silicon 27.72% Carbon 18%
                            Aluminum 8.13% Hydrogen 10%
                            Iron 5.00% Nitrogen 3%
                            Calcium 3.63% Calcium 1.5%
                            Sodium 2.83% Phosphorus 1.2%
                            Potassium 2.59% Potassium 0.2%
                            Magnesium 2.09% Sulfur 0.2%
                            Titanium 0.44% Chlorine 0.2%
                            Hydrogen 0.14% Sodium 0.1%
                            Phosphorus 0.12% Magnesium 0.05%
                            Manganese 0.10% Iron < 0.05%
                            Fluorine 0.08% Cobalt < 0.05%
                            Barium 340 ppm Copper < 0.05%
                            Carbon 0.03% Zinc < 0.05%
                            Strontium 370 ppm Iodine < 0.05%
                            Sulfur 0.05% Selenium < 0.01%
                            SOURCES for TABLE 1 above:
                            1. -http://chemistry.about.com/od/geochemistry/a/Chemical-Composition-Of-The-Earths-Crust.htm
                            2. -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elements
                            3. -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_(geology)
                            2. Wow, I guess we've been mistaken about life on Earth being "carbon-based", because it looks like we should really be like the stuff of science fiction, SILICON-BASED (most of the oxygen bonded to silicon in the form of SiO2 which comprised 60.6% of the Earth's crust, the source of the "dust of the ground".).

                            3. Why, oh why aren't creos/IDists braying about this "error" in biology books, i.e., we should really have a form like the Horta or Eldrad, right, AV?

                            OBSERVATION ==> Sort of lends a whole new meaning to the usually complimentary phrase "you rock!", eh, Truther?!

                            Originally posted by Truther View Post
                            not made randomly by water flowing down a rock into a pool by accident, which made itself into a organism with a will to live, all alone with no way to feed itself with other food sources, going on a self reproduction kick, as an eternal organism that could not be stopped, eventually morphing into a determined mushroom, which developed a brain and limbs over a billion years, which eventually sent men into outer space.
                            Again, you are the only one blabbering the above nonsense, but thanks for showing us that you don't have the faintest clue as to what any of the work on the origin of life (abiogenesis) actually does claim ==> cite any scientific work on the origin of life that makes any of the wild, disjointed claims you've asserted above.

                            BOTTOM-LINE
                            REMINDER: Nothing in evolution, which does NOT address how life got here, being a scientific model describing how and why life has changed once it did arise on this planet.

                            Why it's not necessary for evolution to also include an explanation for the origin of life to another equally clueless creo, who like many of this lot, confuses opinions with evidence HERE.

                            IOW, the Purrrfectly Powerful Purple-Puddytats from Dimension Y could have ~MEOWED!~ it (*Blessed be Their Mighty Claws of Death!*) into existence and evolution would still explain what happened to it, with the more likely explanation for how life arose being a natural one.

                            But ZOUNDS! working that out that natural explanation would require a lot of work and putting the old gray cells into overtime, something that creos/IDists are absolutely allergic to when one can wimp out with "My Deity-ies?~POOFED!~it!" ==> of course, the most obvious reason for avoiding this kind of work (indeed, trying to thwart/stop it all together) is that discovery of the mechanism generating life would SLAM! the door SHUT with a resoundingly mighty BANG on yet another laughable God-of-Gaps hidy-hole where theists are currently hiding their god-s?.

                            ------
                            [1] IF there was such a thing as the "Word of God", then why are there so many different versions (differing numbers of books, translation conflicts, etc.) of "the" Bible (really Bibles,no such thing as "the" One, despite some arrogant presumptions to "ownership" of the TRUE Bible)? The fact that we see such "diversity" along with all the laughable attempts to "harmonize"/handwave away glaring contradictions/errors is a solid testament that "the" Bible is nothing but the sole work of HUMANS asserting without one iota of evidence to be chosen mouthpieces for an alleged entity they call "God" (thousands of such entities barfed up by HUMANS, why should we kow-tow to this particular "version" out of all the choices available?).
                            Last edited by phoenix702; 05-17-18, 12:15 AM.
                            Reality rules, Honor the truth--John A. Steele *chemist99a*
                            Atheism isn't a religion. It's a personal relationship with reality--Eamon Knight
                            Death is nothing to us, since while we exist, death is not, and when death has come, we are not.--Epicurus

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                            • Originally posted by dneh View Post

                              Your claim. Burden of proof is yours.
                              It has already been established that there were billions of transitionals in the first group and common sense tells you there would have been billions in each of the next groups.

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                              • Originally posted by Promethean View Post

                                You really have no idea how life works. Unlike some others, I have no inclination to point out the idiocies; but I will ridicule them.
                                No you have no idea and the only discussion about how things evolved concerned the first group. Why are you afraid to get into how the next groups would have evolved?

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