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Biologists, Chemists, Paleontologists Challenge Darwin's Unscientific Suggestion

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  • Biologists, Chemists, Paleontologists Challenge Darwin's Unscientific Suggestion

    The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."

    "Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with. Both religion and science need for their activities the belief in God" - Max Planck

    “In China we can criticize Darwin, but not the government; in America, you can criticize the government, but not Darwin.” - Jun-Yuan Chen, Chinese paleontologist who is an acknowledged expert on the Cambrian explosion

    Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.

    According to anthropologist Tom Kemp, in his famous review, Mammal-like Reptiles and the Origin of Mammals, “In no single adequately documented case is it possible to trace a transition, species by species, from one genus to another.”

    "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research.)

    "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of the imagination." (Albert Fleishman, professor of zoology & comparative anatomy at Erlangen University)

    "Nine tenths of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view." (Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)

    "I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question, "How did this ever happen?" (Dr. Sorren Luthrip, Swedish Embryologist)

    "Evolution is baseless and quite incredible." (Dr. John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in "The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought")

    "Complex molecules that are essential to particular organisms often have such a vast information content as...to make the theory of evolution impossible." (Bird, Origin of Species Revisited, Vol. 1, pg. 71)

    "A close inspection discovers an empirical impossibility to be inherent in the idea of evolution." (Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, Swedish botanist and geneticist, English Summary of Synthetische Artbildung, pg. 1142-43, 1186.)

    "At this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creation. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow, physicist and cosmologist, God and the Astronomers, page 116

    "Therefore, a grotesque account of a period some thousands of years ago is taken seriously though it be built by piling special assumptions on special assumptions, ad hoc hypothesis [invented for a purpose] on ad hoc hypothesis, and tearing apart the fabric of science whenever it appears convenient. The result is a fantasia which is neither history nor science." (Dr. James Conant [chemist and former president of Harvard University], quoted in Origins Research, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1982, p. 2.)

    Last edited by RenaissanceMan; 07-14-18, 12:57 AM.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post

    (snip another pile of Creo quote-mines, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods)
    Are you ever going to discuss any scientific topics or does your entire "science" knowledge begin and end with <CTRL>C , <CTRL>V?
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    • #3
      copy-paste quote-mines... I wonder if any are from this century?
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      • #4
        What is "Darwin's unscientific suggestion"?
        Do you mean his suggestion that if slave owners manumitted their slaves, it might lead to better yields of coffee, sugar, and tobacco?

        Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
        The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."

        *endless wall of quotemines snipped*
        Perhaps you might engage in actual discussion for a change.
        What is "Darwin's unscientific suggestion"?
        When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
          The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."
          Fine, I will argue with them, the ones that are still alive anyway, not with you.

          "I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question, "How did this ever happen?" (Dr. Sorren Luthrip, Swedish Embryologist)
          Just to take this one example, this is why these great lumps of YEC quotemines you post are useless. The source you are copying from has made errors. Because you do not check your source carefully, but merely cut-and-paste it with no thought or checking, the errors in your source appear in your post.

          The quote is from Dr. Søren Løvtrup (1922-2002). Your source has spelled his name incorrectly. It has not corrected its error and you have not checked that what your source told you was correct. Your source also failed to tell you the name and date of his publication: "Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth" (1987). That is another obvious failure of scholarship by your source.

          Do we understand from this quote that you support Dr. Løvtrup's theory of evolution by macromutations?

          Why should we even bother to read what you have copied unchecked from such a sloppy source? I suggest that in future you find a better quality source and stop wasting everybody's time, yours and ours.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
            The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."


            Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.

            Marc W. Kirschner is an American cell biologist and biochemist and the founding chair of the Department of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School. Wikipedia
            Born: February 28, 1945 (age 73 years), Chicago, IL

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post

              Marc W. Kirschner is an American cell biologist and biochemist and the founding chair of the Department of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School. Wikipedia
              Born: February 28, 1945 (age 73 years), Chicago, IL
              Okay, so where does Kirschner state the he rejects evolution?

              AFAICT, your quote mine does square with the wikipedia artice which shows that Kirschner has written a number of articles and books about evolution.

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              • #8
                D Laurier:

                Perhaps you might engage in actual discussion for a change.
                What is "Darwin's unscientific suggestion"?

                When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

                -----------------------------

                "Actual discussion"? With you or any of your other co-Darwinists? When have any of you ever done that?

                1. You know very well the inference of "Darwin's unscientific suggestion. You simply choose to play rhetorical games.
                You posture like your other friends here.

                2. Your quote at the bottom of every post you make is a "quote mine." When you and your kind aren't condemning "quote mining," you are quote mining to suit your own purposes, oblivious to your own hypocrisy.

                3. Good men are not "silenced" until they are killed. Don't you even know that? Good men continue to fight the good fight.

                4. Nor did you bother to provide the author to the quote you deem so very important, much less cite a reference for it.
                And you talk down to others about "actual discussion." The gall. The unmitigated gall. Your failed attempt to put me down, yet again, shows exactly why I rarely bother to respond to you and yours. It wastes my time and you never learn anything because you don't want to learn. You just want to puff yourself up and posture.

                "Elections have consequences. We won. You lost. Get used to it." - Barack Obama, 2009
                Hillary is corrupt, unlikable, poorly-qualified, terrible track record, but she has money and a vagina, and that's good enough for most liberals. - William L.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
                  "Actual discussion"? With you or any of your other co-Darwinists? When have any of you ever done that?
                  Yes, discussion is what you have when one actually talks/writes about the topic.

                  An opening post consisting of a whiny complaint followed by a list of quote mines does not bode well for a discussion.

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                  • #10
                    As we all know, bold text makes everything more right...
                    "The dolphin would be its shape if it was just farming carrots." - Robert Byers

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post

                      "Actual discussion"? With you or any of your other co-Darwinists? When have any of you ever done that?
                      Point made when this last question was pointedly ignored.

                      Q.E.D.

                      "Elections have consequences. We won. You lost. Get used to it." - Barack Obama, 2009
                      Hillary is corrupt, unlikable, poorly-qualified, terrible track record, but she has money and a vagina, and that's good enough for most liberals. - William L.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
                        The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."

                        The sidekicks will show up with quotemining accusations inside long winded rants.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post

                          Point made when this last question was pointedly ignored.
                          You've certainly never participate in any actual scientific discussions, seemingly because you lack the knowledge to do so. Every time some asks you a scientific question you vanish in a cloud of lame excuses and insults. You do have the C&Ping of Creo dishonestly quote-mined quotes and PRATTs down cold though.

                          We've been having quite a nice discussion (with examples) on transitional fossils with TWM. Of course being a YEC TWM hasn't actually discussed any of the evidence, just denied it and fled very similar to what you do.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
                            Point made when this last question was pointedly ignored.
                            So you aren't going to address my post.

                            Fine.

                            With you I have never had an actual discussion. From your vacuous posts, it would seem a waste of time.

                            Q.E.D.
                            Indeed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RenaissanceMan View Post
                              The same tired put-downs, day after day, from the same angry, hateful individuals, pretending to be smarter than anyone who deigns to disagree with them. "You don't understand evolution," they repeat until you want to vomit. Scientists cited below DO "understand evolution" as it was proposed by a very mediocre Charles Darwin 150 years ago. Argue with them. And NO, these quotes aren't "taken out of context."

                              "Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with. Both religion and science need for their activities the belief in God" - Max Planck

                              “In China we can criticize Darwin, but not the government; in America, you can criticize the government, but not Darwin.” - Jun-Yuan Chen, Chinese paleontologist who is an acknowledged expert on the Cambrian explosion

                              Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.

                              According to anthropologist Tom Kemp, in his famous review, Mammal-like Reptiles and the Origin of Mammals, “In no single adequately documented case is it possible to trace a transition, species by species, from one genus to another.”

                              "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research.)

                              "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of the imagination." (Albert Fleishman, professor of zoology & comparative anatomy at Erlangen University)

                              "Nine tenths of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view." (Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)

                              "I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question, "How did this ever happen?" (Dr. Sorren Luthrip, Swedish Embryologist)

                              "Evolution is baseless and quite incredible." (Dr. John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in "The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought")

                              "Complex molecules that are essential to particular organisms often have such a vast information content as...to make the theory of evolution impossible." (Bird, Origin of Species Revisited, Vol. 1, pg. 71)

                              "A close inspection discovers an empirical impossibility to be inherent in the idea of evolution." (Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, Swedish botanist and geneticist, English Summary of Synthetische Artbildung, pg. 1142-43, 1186.)

                              "At this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creation. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow, physicist and cosmologist, God and the Astronomers, page 116

                              "Therefore, a grotesque account of a period some thousands of years ago is taken seriously though it be built by piling special assumptions on special assumptions, ad hoc hypothesis [invented for a purpose] on ad hoc hypothesis, and tearing apart the fabric of science whenever it appears convenient. The result is a fantasia which is neither history nor science." (Dr. James Conant [chemist and former president of Harvard University], quoted in Origins Research, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1982, p. 2.)
                              More outdated quote mines. And you wonder why people keep pointing that out.
                              It might help if you can find an actual scientific article that will give us something to consider.

                              With every natural scientific discovery there is less reason to believe in the supernatural.
                              With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
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