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    The Evolution of Christ

    If we set aside the mythological Jesus in the gospels and Acts and strictly adhere to Paul’s Christ in his letters then it becomes apparent that Paul equates Christ to the cosmos for Paul says that Christ is “the sum of all things” (or the cosmos), and again, “Christ is all, and in all”. It follows then that evolution is a mechanism by which Christ produces us, because evolution is a mechanism by which our cosmos has produced us. Moreover, it goes with out saying that when Paul says that “all things are from and through him”, he could just as well have been speaking of the cosmos. Again, Paul discloses the mystery of “Christ in you” which is no different than saying, “the cosmos in you”. And what a great mystery that is! For no mind has conceived until now that humans are formed from stardust, yet somehow Paul perceived its essence two thousand years ago.

    If Christ be the sum of all things or the cosmos then the history of our cosmos would be the history of Christ. Christ would have been an extremely ordered, powerful thing long before our cosmos came to be. Christ would have suffered a perturbation, an expansion, a spreading out, and a tranfer from perfect order and energy into chaos and materiality. Christ then slowly but surely was rearranged by forces within our universe to produce first unicellular life on our planet. Christ (or cosmos) fed that life with energy from the sun, with heat from our planets molten core, and with nutrients from the solar system which catalyzed the evolution of life into complex organisms. Christ then selected from life on our planet one species capable of intelligent thought. Christ then selected from among those capable of intelligent thought some who would look out at the stars and seek our beginning and our purpose. What they discover is that we belong to a single thing that has a life of its own: a beginning, a fall into materiality, an evolution to consciousness, a desire for good, and a future yet to come. They discover that we are Christ or the cosmos for we are members of his one body or single thing that sums up the whole. But Christ is not finished just as our cosmos is not finished. Christ or cosmos is still evolving. Will Christ or cosmos someday return to as it was in the beginning: extremely ordered, and powerful? Will it remember us who belong to it? God only knows and if Christ or cosmos belongs to him then so should we.
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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

    Bit of a stretch....

    Yes it is an analogy...but your view doesn't quite work. Your view would make Jesus "the universe". That isn't biblical.
    The Bible says a lot of contradictory, impossible things, but makes more sense when put in their proper place, for example, the true thing is christ or cosmos, whereas the myth is the solitary man Jesus. Whereas, we are actual members of the former, we cannot be members of the latter. Whereas, the former actually gave us a life and a soul, the latter has given us nothing (other than representing something much bigger than ourselves).

    If anything, the mythological man Jesus in the Gospels personifies the actual work of the actual Christ or cosmos in the plan of God to give actual life to our dead world (or cosmos). With that perspective the words of the Bible become vivid and real, for example,

    (Revelation 11:15). The kingdom of the world (“Kosmos”) has become the Christ himself and lord of us. And he will reign to aeons and aeons.

    (John 3:16). For God so loved the world (“Kosmos”), that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    “kosmos”: order, the world
    Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
    Transliteration: kosmos
    Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
    Definition: order, the world
    Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
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  • CrowCross
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

    “...having the eyes of your hearts enlightened,” (Ephesians 1:18).

    Does our heart have eyes or is Paul using a metaphor?

    In the same way, “all things are under his feet” indicating that the universal soul rules over all things, his body, the cosmos, and us. They aren’t literal feet otherwise how do you get human feet to stand on “all things”?

    To Paul, the cosmos is seen as having a life of its own which is why he says that, the sum of all things is in Christ (Ephesians 1:10). Seen that way then, evolution is a mechanism within Christ that produced life from non-life, that produces souls where there was none. In the future, he must heal the body so that it lasts forever. That is our hope.

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    Metaphor = a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
    Bit of a stretch....

    Yes it is an analogy...but your view doesn't quite work. Your view would make Jesus "the universe". That isn't biblical.

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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

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    In the Egyptian vignettes found in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the god-man Osiris’ dead body is shown on a tree, surrounded by his family, and he serves and worships his God, namely, Ra, who is also adored by seven (sometimes six) apes which represent spirits. Moreover, Osiris, like Jesus was resurrected from the dead according to the Egyptian myths. Here is the translation of the vignettes.

    From Book of the Dead translated by sir Ernest Budge, 1897, Pg 185 of 328

    “In the Papyrus of Ani " we see the Sun's disk supported by a pair of arms which emerge from the sign of life (ankh); this, in its turn, is supported by the pillar which symbolizes the tree-trunk which contained the dead body of Osiris. This pillar rests upon the horizon. On each side of it are three apes typical of the Spirits of the Dawn, adoring the disk ; on the right is the goddess Nephthys and on the left is the goddess Isis, Nephthys kneels upon the symbol of the sunset, and Isis upon the symbol of the dawn. Above the whole scene is the vaulted sky.
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    Can you find the ankh (cross), in the Egyptian vignette? It is a cross which symbolized new life to the Egyptians just as the cross symbolizes new life for Christians. Coincidence? I think not.

    Again, the Egyptian and Christian myths are similar in that Osiris’ dead body on a tree rises from ankh (cross) in adoration of his God, Ra, just as Christ Jesus hanging on a tree rises from the cross in adoration of his God, but we know that the Egyptian myth existed long before the latter. Therefore, they are both myths telling the same story which has a mystical meaning. And as far as I know the Egyptians, unlike Christian orthodoxy, never literalized their myths.

    From Wikipedia
    The ankh is an ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol that was most commonly used in writing and in art to represent the word for "life" and, by extension, as a symbol of life itself. Its use continued through the Coptic Egyptians who adapted it as the crux ansata, a variant form of the Christian cross.
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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

    If all things are under His feet..such as the cosmos ..then the cosmos isn't Jesus as the cosmos is under Jesus' feet.
    “...having the eyes of your hearts enlightened,” (Ephesians 1:18).

    Does our heart have eyes or is Paul using a metaphor?

    In the same way, “all things are under his feet” indicating that the universal soul rules over all things, his body, the cosmos, and us. They aren’t literal feet otherwise how do you get human feet to stand on “all things”?

    To Paul, the cosmos is seen as having a life of its own which is why he says that, the sum of all things is in Christ (Ephesians 1:10). Seen that way then, evolution is a mechanism within Christ that produced life from non-life, that produces souls where there was none. In the future, he must heal the body so that it lasts forever. That is our hope.

    ————
    Metaphor = a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
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  • CrowCross
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

    “in him ALL THINGS hold together”(Colossians 1:17) — i.e., in cosmos (all things) hold together.

    ”And he put ALL THINGS (i.e., cosmos) under his feet and gave him as head (i.e., ruler) over ALL THINGS (i.e., cosmos) to the church (1,2), which IS HIS BODY” (Ephesians 1:22)
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    Bible Hub
    1) ἐκκλησία, ἐκκλεσιας, ἡ (from ἔκκλητοςcalled out or forth, and this from ἐκκαλέω); properly, a gathering of (human) citizens called out from their homes into some public place; an assembly;

    2) “For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,”. (Ephesians 3:14)

    Every human being on earth, and every family on earth is a member of the cosmos or body of Christ. It is so simple once one realizes that the mythical solitary man Jesus (actually “Joshua”) in the Gospels represents a type for the actual cosmic Christ, leading us from “bondage” (“type: slavery” in Egypt representing the material world) to something better (type: “promised land” representing a “new heaven and new earth”).

    Moreover, it is in him (Christ or cosmos) that we belong, and through him (Christ or cosmos) that we (to include ALL THINGS) exist (Colossians 1:16): “ALL THINGS were created through him and for him.”

    The practical benefit is that it reconciles everything that we know about our world, specifically, the evolution of the human species to the actual meaning of Jesus in the Gospels.
    If all things are under His feet..such as the cosmos ..then the cosmos isn't Jesus as the cosmos is under Jesus' feet.

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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

    Wrong....Jesus doesn't represent the cosmos nor is Jesus the cosmos....Jesus MADE the cosmos.
    “in him ALL THINGS hold together”(Colossians 1:17) — i.e., in cosmos (all things) hold together.

    ”And he put ALL THINGS (i.e., cosmos) under his feet and gave him as head (i.e., ruler) over ALL THINGS (i.e., cosmos) to the church (1,2), which IS HIS BODY” (Ephesians 1:22)
    ——
    Bible Hub
    1) ἐκκλησία, ἐκκλεσιας, ἡ (from ἔκκλητοςcalled out or forth, and this from ἐκκαλέω); properly, a gathering of (human) citizens called out from their homes into some public place; an assembly;

    2) “For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,”. (Ephesians 3:14)

    Every human being on earth, and every family on earth is a member of the cosmos or body of Christ. It is so simple once one realizes that the mythical solitary man Jesus (actually “Joshua”) in the Gospels represents a type for the actual cosmic Christ, leading us from “bondage” (“type: slavery” in Egypt representing the material world) to something better (type: “promised land” representing a “new heaven and new earth”).

    Moreover, it is in him (Christ or cosmos) that we belong, and through him (Christ or cosmos) that we (to include ALL THINGS) exist (Colossians 1:16): “ALL THINGS were created through him and for him.”

    The practical benefit is that it reconciles everything that we know about our world, specifically, the evolution of the human species to the actual meaning of Jesus in the Gospels.
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  • CrowCross
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

    In this case you cannot wrap your head around the fact that unbelievers are in Christ (because you don’t know Jesus represents the cosmos or all things) so you reject Paul’s words as referenced above or you just ignore them.

    Wrong....Jesus doesn't represent the cosmos nor is Jesus the cosmos....Jesus MADE the cosmos.

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  • CrowCross
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post
    If we set aside the mythological Jesus in the gospels and Acts and strictly adhere to Paul’s Christ in his letters then it becomes apparent that Paul equates Christ to the cosmos for Paul says that Christ is “the sum of all things” (or the cosmos), and again, “Christ is all, and in all”. It follows then that evolution is a mechanism by which Christ produces us, because evolution is a mechanism by which our cosmos has produced us. Moreover, it goes with out saying that when Paul says that “all things are from and through him”, he could just as well have been speaking of the cosmos. Again, Paul discloses the mystery of “Christ in you” which is no different than saying, “the cosmos in you”. And what a great mystery that is! For no mind has conceived until now that humans are formed from stardust, yet somehow Paul perceived its essence two thousand years ago.

    If Christ be the sum of all things or the cosmos then the history of our cosmos would be the history of Christ. Christ would have been an extremely ordered, powerful thing long before our cosmos came to be. Christ would have suffered a perturbation, an expansion, a spreading out, and a tranfer from perfect order and energy into chaos and materiality. Christ then slowly but surely was rearranged by forces within our universe to produce first unicellular life on our planet. Christ (or cosmos) fed that life with energy from the sun, with heat from our planets molten core, and with nutrients from the solar system which catalyzed the evolution of life into complex organisms. Christ then selected from life on our planet one species capable of intelligent thought. Christ then selected from among those capable of intelligent thought some who would look out at the stars and seek our beginning and our purpose. What they discover is that we belong to a single thing that has a life of its own: a beginning, a fall into materiality, an evolution to consciousness, a desire for good, and a future yet to come. They discover that we are Christ or the cosmos for we are members of his one body or single thing that sums up the whole. But Christ is not finished just as our cosmos is not finished. Christ or cosmos is still evolving. Will Christ or cosmos someday return to as it was in the beginning: extremely ordered, and powerful? Will it remember us who belong to it? God only knows and if Christ or cosmos belongs to him then so should we.
    Problem is....that's not what the bible teaches.

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  • docphin
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    Christian orthodoxy will never be able to reconcile their beliefs with the overwhelming evidence for evolution until they come to terms with the evidence that the Gospel stories are mythological. Once we recognize them as myths that originated in Egypt then we are set free to seek what the myths meant to those who wrote them and no longer deny the evolution of all animals.

    For example, here are some pictures where the Egyptian myths and Christian myths are strikingly similar.

    In the Egyptian vignettes found in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the god-man Osiris’ dead body is shown on a tree, surrounded by his family, and he serves and worships his God, namely, Ra, who is also adored by seven (sometimes six) apes which represent spirits. Moreover, Osiris, like Jesus was resurrected from the dead according to the Egyptian myths. Here is the translation of the vignettes.

    From Book of the Dead translated by sir Ernest Budge, 1897, Pg 185 of 328

    “In the Papyrus of Ani " we see the Sun's disk supported by a pair of arms which emerge from the sign of life; this, in its turn, is supported by the pillar which symbolizes the tree-trunk which contained the dead body of Osiris. This pillar rests upon the horizon. On each side of it are three apes typical of the Spirits of the Dawn, adoring the disk ; on the right is the goddess Nephthys and on the left is the goddess Isis, Nephthys kneels upon the symbol of the sunset, and Isis upon the symbol of the dawn. Above the whole scene is the vaulted sky. In the Papyrus of Hu-nefer 1 the pillar is endowed with human arms and hands, which grasp the crook and flail, emblematic of Osiris' reign and rule, and the two goddesses are standing up right ; one says : " I am thy sister Nephthys," and the other : " I am thy sister Isis, the divine mother." The sun is typified by a hawk having a disk, encircled by an uraeus, upon his head. The apes are here seven in number, four stand in front and three behind ; above the whole scene is the vaulted sky.”

    Compare the Egyptian vignettes with the the painting by the Italian painter Giotto di Bondone, where the god-man Jesus’ dead body is shown on a wooden cross (tree), surrounded by family, and he serves and worships his God, who is adored by six angels.

    The similarities are undeniable.

    So why should we care to know what Egyptians thought? We care what Egyptians thought for the same reason that we care to know where humans came from? Our origins are important in understanding who we are, for modern humans originated in Africa having evolved not only physically but also having evolved a consciousness in Africa, before we spread across the planet. What our understanding was then about good and evil, religion, and spiritual things, is just as important as what we physically evolved from. Not to belabor the point, I will end here on this thought.

    The egyptian book of the dead was written approx. 4,500 years ago for those in the underworld to instruct them how to ascend into a new life, —in much the same way as the mythological Christ descended to the underworld in order to preach the gospel (good news of salvation) and lead them out (1 Peter 3:18-20). If our reality is the “underworld” (and I perceive it is for reasons I won’t go into here) then the Egyptian and the Christian mystics were teaching through myths of a god-man dying and returning to life, that we belong to something much greater than ourselves; and if we draw near to it, we find ourselves (who we actually are as members of a single thing), and we find the source of life eternal. We have wasted too much time believing in myths. It is past time to discover the origins of our beliefs and seek their meaning.

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    Vignettes Published in The book of the dead, translated by sir ernest alfrid wallace budge, 1897





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    Giotto di Bondone (Italian painter-1337): Crucifixion of Strausberg

    See link
    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...51.jpg#/search
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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by cisco qid View Post
    Sounds like the start of a whole new cult.
    Originally posted by docphin View Post

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    Despite your erroneous opinion nonbelievers are also considered in Christ, whether they know it or not, because they are members of “all things” or our world (“kosmos”), for Paul teaches that,

    "All things are summed up in Christ" (Eph. i. 10);

    "Of him, through him, and unto him, are all things" (Rom. xi. 36);

    "In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. ii. 9), indicating that everything that exists or will exist (from God) culminates in the single body of Christ;

    ””Christ is all, and in all”” (Colossians iii. 11); and

    ”to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians ii. 2)

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    The reason that you cannot wrap your head around the fact that “all things” are actually in Christ is due to the erroneous literalization of the myth of Christ as a solitary man.

    I know that it is a revolutionary thought to consider the man Jesus is a myth (because it is revolutionary to orthodoxy only shows how successful the error has been promulgated when the authors never intended to be taken literally) but let me give you a really good example how the authors of the mythical Jesus wrote him in such a way that they expected those who perceived that he truly represented the cosmic Christ (rather than a solitary man) would take his (mythological sayings) words and apply them mystically to all things (cosmically) where they actually hold the better meaning.

    In this case you cannot wrap your head around the fact that unbelievers are in Christ (because you don’t know Jesus represents the cosmos or all things) so you reject Paul’s words as referenced above or you just ignore them.

    So let me flip it around for you and show you what the authors had in mind for the mythological Jesus, as the cosmic Christ, explaining what will happen to wicked people who are in him or “in his body”. Again, the words are written as if the mythological Jesus had spoken them, but the words are clearly NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL, because they make sense when applied ONLY to the cosmic Christ, who has one body, that is, summed up as all things or cosmos.

    Suspend your disbelief for one second and try to see what the authors wanted you to see. Here is the mythological saying of the mythical solitary man Jesus.

    Matthew 5:27
    You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

    If this were meant to be taken literally then we would all be blind for the body spontaneously desires what would be unlawful (or immoral) to give it. Remember, the body wars against the spirit.

    The mythical Jesus is not advocating we actually gouge out our actual eyes or cut off our actual hands. How absurd!

    Taken as it was intended to be taken with Christ actually being what sums up all things or cosmos, the authors are telling us that the cosmological Christ will remove from his cosmological single body those members, that is, those people who desire evil in our world, because they are a source of sin in his body or world, for they are members of his body, as Paul taught.

    When does he finally remove them? When judgment is final and no more judgment for evil is necessary, specifically, when the body of Christ or cosmos is made new (aka the “resurrection of Christ” on the eighth day, according to scripture: the eighth day is the sum of the seven days of the creation myth. These are not solar days but represent the keepers of the time-cycles until cosmos and those within it, the heavenly host, are complete).

    The point is that the solitary man Jesus in the Gospels is a myth representing the cosmological Christ and evolution is a mechanism for producing life within the cosmological Christ because everything written about Jesus appertains to the transcendent christ that the mythological Jesus represents, that is, our cosmos, which has a life known only to God. Therefore, to reject the overwhelming evidence for evolution on the grounds that it conflicts with a literal interpretation of the Gospels is beyond futility, because the Gospels were never written to be taken literally, but were written to teach us of the cosmological christ, in whom is found all wisdom and knowledge, for example, the knowledge of how our world was founded and how life evolved on our planet, in other words, the knowledge of how Christ produces life from non-life!

    Originally posted by docphin View Post
    to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of

    God's mystery,
    which is Christ,

    in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians ii. 2)
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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by cisco qid View Post

    Sounds like the start of a whole new cult.
    Early Christianity started with Paul preaching the cosmic Christ described in his seven authentic letters (excluding letters to Timothy) which I already quoted. It was after Paul’s death that the canonical Gospels were written based on the cosmic Christ of Paul but describing Christ mythologically, as a solitary human on earth because that is what the Jews expected. The Gospel of Mark would have been the first Gospel written after the Pauline letters. Thus the mystical, cosmic Christ of Paul producing life (souls) in our cosmos and early Hellenistic Christianity was later confounded with the mythological solitary Christ on earth written for the Messianic Jews expecting an earthly Messiah.

    This explains the compromise in Jerusalem where Peter and Paul decided to preach to Jews and Gentiles, respectively. Paul’s mission was to teach the mystical cosmic Christ to the Gentiles whose minds were prepared by Hellenistic/Egyptian/Wisdom mysteries on Logos/Osiris/Sophia (wisdom) death and rebirth, that is, the death and resurrection of Paul’s cosmic Christ. On the other hand, Peter continued to preach the Christ as a mythological, supernatural solitary man on earth because the Messianic Jews could accept nothing less. Unfortunately, the latter mythological solitary human became accepted as historical fact and imposed on the Roman world by the Roman church and erroneously believed by orthodox christians today (e.g., Protestant Christians). This is why christian orthodoxy today cannot reconcile their beliefs with a known fact of our world, that is, evolution, because their religious opinions depend upon the literalization of the myths versus the knowledge of the cosmic Christ who returns all things (the cosmos) to true God and Father. The mechanism of evolution is a means in the plan to turn nonlife into life, ignorance into knowledge, bad into good, sin into righteousness, death into immortality. The cosmic Christ taught by Paul is reborn with life in those souls here on earth who love truth and believe that God is the source of being and power of existence and to whom all things (or Christ or cosmos) belong.
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  • cisco qid
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

    Your opinion is easily refuted by Paul’s letters. Did you not read the OP? Or do you cherry pick what you want to believe, despite all the evidence, like when you reject the overwhelming evidence for evolution?

    Despite your erroneous opinion nonbelievers are also considered in Christ, whether they know it or not, because they are members of “all things” or our world (“kosmos”), for Paul teaches that,

    "All things are summed up in Christ" (Eph. i. 10);

    "Of him, through him, and unto him, are all things" (Rom. xi. 36);

    "In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. ii. 9), indicating that everything that exists or will exist (from God) culminates in the single body of Christ;

    ””Christ is all, and in all”” (Colossians iii. 11); and

    ”to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians ii. 2)

    you fail to understand Paul because your mind has been corrupted through the literalization of myths. Where truth should rest comfortably in your mind, according to right reason, instead, error, fantasy, and myth” hold rule of your thoughts, like “gangrene” eating away healthy tissue. You need a doctor who can heal you with the medicine of truth and right reason.
    Sounds like the start of a whole new cult.

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  • rook
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    Originally posted by docphin View Post

    Despite your erroneous opinion nonbelievers are also considered in Christ, whether they know it or not, because they are members of “all things” or our world (“kosmos”), for Paul teaches that,
    Your Gnosticism leaves you in error again, amigo. Your religious dogma is even more deficient that your poor grasp of science and that's saying a lot.

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  • docphin
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    Originally posted by cisco qid View Post

    "Christ in you" is in reference to believers and not mankind in general. Although He is the Creator of all, He resides in a special way in His church or rather the fellowship of believers.
    Your opinion is easily refuted by Paul’s letters. Did you not read the OP? Or do you cherry pick what you want to believe, despite all the evidence, like when you reject the overwhelming evidence for evolution?

    Despite your erroneous opinion nonbelievers are also considered in Christ, whether they know it or not, because they are members of “all things” or our world (“kosmos”), for Paul teaches that,

    "All things are summed up in Christ" (Eph. i. 10);

    "Of him, through him, and unto him, are all things" (Rom. xi. 36);

    "In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. ii. 9), indicating that everything that exists or will exist (from God) culminates in the single body of Christ;

    ””Christ is all, and in all”” (Colossians iii. 11); and

    ”to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians ii. 2)

    you fail to understand Paul because your mind has been corrupted through the literalization of myths. Where truth should rest comfortably in your mind, according to right reason, instead, error, fantasy, and myth” hold rule of your thoughts, like “gangrene” eating away healthy tissue. You need a doctor who can heal you with the medicine of truth and right reason.
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