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Why Intelligent Design is NOT a viable alternative to the ToE.

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  • Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post

    As my pastor is fond of saying:

    "Religion will take you straight to Hell."
    So you believe there is a hell...
    Let me see if I get this straight - god creates a hell for the devil and his angels. Do I take it to mean he did not originally intend it for humans?
    So then, at some point he then decided that hell was as good a place as any to dump off all the unrepentent. Doesn't ring true for an omniscient god does it...especially when you consider they are constrained within the boundaries of their design.
    The idea of "choice" is further removed by the advances in modern science.
    Sure, the people who live up to the last 150 years or so may have been candidates for the "revelation of the created order", but what about those who could see that science explained many of the old mysteries?
    What is now the condemnatory criteria for them to "have no excuse"?
    With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
    Herb Silverman.

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    • Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
      Pure barking insanity.
      Just say I'm beside myself.

      Like they did Jesus.
      THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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      • Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
        And yet he pushes it. And so do you.
        We're more a spousal relationship than a religion.

        2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
        THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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        • Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
          Just say I'm beside myself.

          Like they did Jesus.
          I find this utterly undecipherable
          When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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          • Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
            We're more a spousal relationship than a religion.

            2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
            Except no marriage takes place. No meeting even. No breakfasts together. Nothing.

            And blue jibberish does not help you.
            Saying idiotic things, does not make saying merely silly things, any less silly.

            When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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            • Originally posted by aussiedave View Post
              False.
              There is plenty that we know about what nature existed in the past.
              To think otherwise is merely an ignorant assertion.

              Got an example?
              Evo talking points based on a lack of observation.

              Have you ever seen an event where nothing created something?

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              • Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                Evo talking points based on a lack of observation.

                Have you ever seen an event where nothing created something?
                Quantum Mechanics, Nouveau. Specifically Heisenberg uncertainty. Yes, something can emerge from nothing.

                The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                • Originally posted by aussiedave View Post
                  There is plenty that we know about what nature existed in the past.
                  Such as..?

                  Got an example?
                  Got an example of anything in origins science models that is NOT based on this nature?
                  newnature.ga

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                  • Originally posted by rossum View Post

                    Another creationist who does not criticise science, but tries to make parts of science into a religion and then criticises religion.

                    You are telling us that you think science is superior to religion here, dad.
                    The parts of so called sciences that tell us about origin of life all rest on one belief, that of a same nature existing in the past. Yu had opportunity to show it more than belief.
                    newnature.ga

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                    • Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                      Evo talking points based on a lack of observation.
                      We can observe fossils and geologic formations, etc,.
                      Another short sighted comment from the false scientist.

                      Have you ever seen an event where nothing created something?
                      Nope - is this a strawman?

                      With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
                      Herb Silverman.

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                      • Originally posted by dad View Post
                        The parts of so called sciences that tell us about origin of life all rest on one belief, that of a same nature existing in the past. Yu had opportunity to show it more than belief.
                        Your God also thinks that the laws of nature were the same in the past; after all He made them so He should know:
                        "But I, the LORD, make the following promise: I have made a covenant governing the coming of day and night. I have established the fixed laws governing heaven and earth." -- Jeremiah 33:25-26 (emphasis added)
                        It is not just scientists who say that the laws of nature are fixed.
                        The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                        • Originally posted by rossum View Post

                          Your God also thinks that the laws of nature were the same in the past; after all He made them so He should know:
                          "But I, the LORD, make the following promise: I have made a covenant governing the coming of day and night. I have established the fixed laws governing heaven and earth." -- Jeremiah 33:25-26 (emphasis added)
                          It is not just scientists who say that the laws of nature are fixed.
                          Things were different prior to the Fall.

                          Nature had her claws retracted.

                          But when Adam sinned, the claws came out.
                          THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                          • Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
                            Things were different prior to the Fall.
                            But the laws of nature were the same. The Bible says "fixed". Do you not believe the Bible?
                            The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                            • Originally posted by rossum View Post
                              But the laws of nature were the same. The Bible says "fixed". Do you not believe the Bible?
                              Yes.

                              It appears you're correct on this.

                              BUT ... for the record ... catastrophism still ruled.
                              THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                              • Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post

                                Things were different prior to the Fall.

                                Nature had her claws retracted.

                                But when Adam sinned, the claws came out.
                                Fortunately, cutesy metaphors don't influence scientists - just the gullible.
                                With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
                                Herb Silverman.

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