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Frontal Lobotomies and the Darwinian pseudoscience of The Reptilian Brain Complex

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  • #31
    Darwin: “… It has been asked by the opponents of such views as I hold, how, for instance, a land carnivorous animal could have been converted into one with aquatic habits… In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale… “

    Ch 6. Paragraph 28**On the Origin of Species. First Edition.


    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm

    Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

    Darwin abused opium which does contribute to delusional thinking.
    n>Maybe it could happen to anyone... maybe anyone on drugs or in some sort of mental (or emotional or relational or spiritual etc) breakdown -- they might imagine a North American black bear morph into a whale-like monster. Or maybe Hollywood might make a film showing that? Oh, dear! I sure hope no snowflake was harmed in this revelation! Gotta watch those North American anythings -- they might speciate into almost anything scary!
    .
    Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
    “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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    • #32
      Originally posted by D Laurier View Post

      ... Huh? ...
      n>It's baaaaaack!

      Darwin: “… It has been asked by the opponents of such views as I hold, how, for instance, a land carnivorous animal could have been converted into one with aquatic habits… In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale… “

      Ch 6. Paragraph 28**On the Origin of Species. First Edition.


      https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm
      .
      Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
      “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

        The Catholix and their godless Romish crusades
        Evil!
        Agreed. Also that self-indulgent fatso self-loathing, self-flagellating anti-Semitic liar Luther... evil...
        .
        Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
        “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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        • #34
          Originally posted by noemail001 View Post

          n>It's baaaaaack!

          Darwin: “… It has been asked by the opponents of such views as I hold, how, for instance, a land carnivorous animal could have been converted into one with aquatic habits… In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale… “

          Ch 6. Paragraph 28**On the Origin of Species. First Edition.


          https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm
          .
          Huh?
          Is there a point to this fragment of a quote?
          It certainly does not appear related to the question it purports to answer.
          When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by D Laurier View Post

            Thats nice.
            What does this have to do with anything real?
            You got tripped up by your very own self.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

              You got tripped up by your very own self.
              When?
              Where?
              How?
              Please point this out... EDIT Rule 12.8
              Last edited by Mod8; 02-02-19, 02:12 PM. Reason: Rule 12.8
              When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by D Laurier View Post

                When?
                Where?
                How?
                Please point this out... EDIT Rule 12.8
                "evolution explains everything" South Park
                Last edited by Mod8; 02-02-19, 05:31 PM. Reason: ALERT / no violation

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                  "evolution explains everything" South Park
                  "Learning science from South Park explains Creo ignorance" - the scientific community

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tim H View Post

                    "Learning science from South Park explains Creo ignorance" - the scientific community
                    Indeed.
                    When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by barchan View Post

                      And none of those things happened before Darwin, right?
                      Moot point. The fact remains, Darwinian pseudoscience devalues human life and does it matter. Do you accept the evolutionary worldview?

                      Even the atheist evolutionary wonder, Stephen Gould had to admit Darwin's pseudoscience included 'scientific racism' - the same racism used to justify the deaths of millions during the Nazi holocaust.
                      “Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory” ~ Stephen Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny
                      Bottom line: The leading scientists involved in developing the lobotomy procedure accepted evolution. They appealed to experimental evidence that seemed to show part of the brain was important in expressing so-called ‘primitive’ emotions. Consequently, their evolutionary worldview predisposed them to conclude that severing certain connections would produce a large reduction in these primitive behaviors. Lobotomy is now a very embarrassing part of medical history that we can look back on, wondering how and why it was ever widely accepted by both scientists and physicians.

                      https://crev.info/2019/01/frontal-lobotomies-holocaust/

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by barchan View Post
                        From you?


                        And none of those things happened before Darwin, right?




                        Only if you wish, rook. From evidence on this board, I'd say that the YECs have cornered the market on incivility and intolerance. It is not clear that they have the moral high ground.
                        Trying to justify Darwin's racial hostility?


                        Accusing YEC's of incivility will not justify 200 million killed by atheists in the last century.

                        Deadly intolerance.

                        Stalin is why atheists leave atheism
                        Stalin is why others defend atheism.

                        Go or stay.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rook View Post
                          Moot point. The fact remains, Darwinian pseudoscience devalues human life and does it matter. Do you accept the evolutionary worldview?
                          Not really. It opens up the possibility that the theory of evolution is simply being used as a scapegoat for the failures of religious YECists.

                          Even the atheist evolutionary wonder, Stephen Gould had to admit Darwin's pseudoscience included 'scientific racism' - the same racism used to justify the deaths of millions during the Nazi holocaust.
                          “Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory” ~ Stephen Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny
                          Bottom line:
                          Just because science is used as an argument does not mean that science is wrong. It could be that militant, anti-science types are prostituting the theory of evolution to justify their own religious agenda. Your logic fails again.

                          The leading scientists involved in developing the lobotomy procedure accepted evolution. They appealed to experimental evidence that seemed to show part of the brain was important in expressing so-called ‘primitive’ emotions. Consequently, their evolutionary worldview predisposed them to conclude that severing certain connections would produce a large reduction in these primitive behaviors. Lobotomy is now a very embarrassing part of medical history that we can look back on, wondering how and why it was ever widely accepted by both scientists and physicians.
                          And how long ago was that? Are you seriously bashing scientists who died over a hundred years ago?

                          Care to make a statement relating to something in this century?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by barchan View Post


                            Just because science is used as an argument does not mean that science is wrong. I
                            Then you accept the Darwinian biological arguments for racism used by the Nazis to exterminate millions as science? Hmm... are you okay...do you need help?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by barchan View Post
                              Are you seriously bashing scientists who died over a hundred years ago?
                              Ice-Pick Walt died in 1972. You may be confused, yes?
                              Neurologist Walter Freeman strapped 29-year-old Ellen Ionesco to the operating table and delivered coma-inducing jolts of electroshock to her brain. Depressed, manic, violently suicidal, Ionesco was just the sort that was thought to benefit from traditional shock therapy—only Freeman wanted to do more than just shock her.

                              Holding an ice pick to Ionesco’s tear duct, the doctor began chiseling into her eye socket. With an audible crack the thin layer of bone separating Ionesco’s brain gave way, and the ice pick sunk deep into her frontal lobe. Freeman then swished the metal rod back and forth, severing the neural pathways he believed were the root of Ionesco’s illness.

                              http://www.madscientistblog.ca/walte....l0RBHUKU.dpbs
                              You do understand how Darwinism devalues human life, right? Or do you need more schooling?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by rook View Post
                                Ice-Pick Walt died in 1972. You may be confused, yes?
                                I am confused by your reference to Broca. Have you run up the white flag for the opening post?

                                Neurologist Walter Freeman strapped 29-year-old Ellen Ionesco to the operating table and delivered coma-inducing jolts of electroshock to her brain. Depressed, manic, violently suicidal, Ionesco was just the sort that was thought to benefit from traditional shock therapy—only Freeman wanted to do more than just shock her.

                                Holding an ice pick to Ionesco’s tear duct, the doctor began chiseling into her eye socket. With an audible crack the thin layer of bone separating Ionesco’s brain gave way, and the ice pick sunk deep into her frontal lobe. Freeman then swished the metal rod back and forth, severing the neural pathways he believed were the root of Ionesco’s illness.

                                http://www.madscientistblog.ca/walte....l0RBHUKU.dpbs
                                Perhaps you are confused. This procedure occurred in 1946.

                                You do understand how Darwinism devalues human life, right? Or do you need more schooling?
                                You have not yet made the connection between the theory of evolution and a barbaric surgical procedure conducted decades ago with a primitive knowledge base.

                                Shall we discuss the fundamentalist Christians who entrust their dying children to faith healers even today? I think that is an excellent argument against Christianity, don't you?

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