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  • Originally posted by barchan View Post
    According to you.


    A theory first refuted in Geology 101
    Your hand-waving makes you look weak.

    Once again, professional YECs pose an unsupported axiom from which everything else must follow.
    But the real PhD geologists continue to clean your clock.

    You remind me of the Black Knight...declaring victory with your arms and legs missing. Amusing.

    https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs


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    • Originally posted by rook View Post
      Are you doing your Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde novella again? Don't be shy, are you a geologist this week?

      The only thing you have dismantled thus far is your credibility.

      Are you going to provide evidence that demonstrates angular unconformities defeat the global flood model or are you going to keep running?
      "You, you, you, ...."

      Do you have anything of substance to add?

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      • Originally posted by barchan View Post
        "You, you, you, ...."

        Do you have anything of substance to add?
        Don't be shy, shy, shy - are you, you, you a geologist this week or are you still confused about your, your, your status?

        Confused evos, where do they get these guys?

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        • Originally posted by rook View Post

          Don't be shy, shy, shy - are you, you, you a geologist this week or are you still confused about your, your, your status?

          Confused evos, where do they get these guys?
          So, you have nothing of substance. I'm shocked.

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          • Originally posted by rook

            The evo is reduced to slander as his OP goes undefended.
            False.
            I posted articles for you which may as well have been water off a duck's back.
            Here's Mary Sweitzer's own words from one of them:-
            Schweitzer’s latest research shows that the presence of hemoglobin – the iron-containing molecule that transports oxygen in red blood cells – may be the key to both preserving and concealing original ancient proteins within fossils. Her results appear in Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

            “Iron is necessary for survival, but it’s also highly reactive and destructive in living tissues, which is why our bodies have proteins that transport iron molecules to where they are needed but protect us from unwanted reactions at the same time,” Schweitzer says. “When we die, that protective mechanism breaks down and the iron is turned loose on our tissues – and that destructive process can act in much the same way formaldehyde does to preserve the tissues and proteins.”

            Hemoglobin seems to be the key. Both birds and crocodiles, the dinosaur’s closest living relatives, have large, nucleated red blood cells. Therefore they also have more hemoglobin per cell than mammals. If dinosaur blood cells were similar to either one of those species, which seems likely, then their blood cells would also contain much more hemoglobin than human cells, amplifying iron’s preservative effect on the tissues. If the hemoglobin were contained in a bone in a sandstone environment, keeping it dry and insulated from microbes, preservation becomes more likely.

            Schweitzer and her team noticed that iron particles are intimately associated with the soft tissues preserved in dinosaurs. But when they chelated – or removed the iron from – soft tissues taken from a T. rex and a Brachyolophosaurus, the chelated tissues reacted much more strongly to antibodies that detect the presence of protein, suggesting that the iron may be masking their presence in these preserved tissues. They then tested the preservation hypothesis by using blood vessels and cells taken from modern ostrich bone. They soaked some of these vessels in hemoglobin taken from red blood cells, while placing other vessels in water. Two years later, the hemoglobin-treated soft vessels remained intact, while those soaked in water degraded in less than a week.

            “We know that iron is always present in large quantities when we find well-preserved fossils, and we have found original vascular tissues within the bones of these animals, which would be a very hemoglobin-rich environment after they died,” Schweitzer says. “We also know that iron hinders just about every technique we have to detect proteins. So iron looks like it may be both the mechanism for preservation and the reason why we’ve had problems finding and analyzing proteins that are preserved.
            Let the inevitable handwaving begin.


            With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
            Herb Silverman.

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            • Originally posted by rook

              You appear angry, small and science-deficient.

              EvoWhine, the sound of defeat.
              No addressing the issues, just christian hatefulness... note what he is replying to:
              "There is no "flood model" - just some ministry flock fleecing marketing scams. Incised meanders, seafloor magnetic recordings, uninterupted ice layers and varves, total lack of ANY genetic bottlenecks, geographical biodiversity, recorded human history, existance of marble, all prove that no infantile storybook fludde occured. And your 20 year old "dissent" that isnt in any way a dissent and has still LOST signatories is just ... pathetic"

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              • Originally posted by cloudsrider View Post

                No addressing the issues, just christian hatefulness... note what he is replying to:
                "There is no "flood model" - just some ministry flock fleecing marketing scams. Incised meanders, seafloor magnetic recordings, uninterupted ice layers and varves, total lack of ANY genetic bottlenecks, geographical biodiversity, recorded human history, existance of marble, all prove that no infantile storybook fludde occured. And your 20 year old "dissent" that isnt in any way a dissent and has still LOST signatories is just ... pathetic"
                Perhaps while he is bored while on gardening leave, he might investigate the examples you cited - educate himself.
                Or he can spend his time dreaming up some new insults to hurl.
                My money is on the latter.

                With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
                Herb Silverman.

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                • Originally posted by rook View Post
                  You are thinking way to small here, my friend. Think about a catastrophic plate tectonics model and a catastrophic global flood. Easy concepts.
                  Can Catastrophic Plate Tectonics Explain Flood Geology?
                  by Dr. Andrew A. Snelling

                  The catastrophic plate tectonics model of Austin et al. begins with a pre-Flood supercontinent surrounded by cold ocean-floor rocks that were denser than the warm mantle rock beneath. To initiate motion in the model, some sudden trigger “cracks” the ocean floors adjacent to the supercontinental crustal block, so that zones of cold ocean-floor rock start penetrating vertically into the upper mantle along the edge of most of the supercontinent.

                  These vertical segments of ocean-floor rock correspond to the leading edges of oceanic plates. These vertical zones begin to sink in conveyor-belt fashion into the mantle, dragging the rest of the ocean floor with them. The sinking slabs of ocean plates produce stresses in the surrounding mantle rock, and these stresses, in turn, cause the rock to become more deformable and allow the slabs to sink faster. This process causes the stress levels to increase and the rock to become even weaker. These regions of rock weakness expand to encompass the entire mantle and result in a catastrophic runaway of the oceanic slabs to the bottom of the mantle in a matter of a few weeks...

                  https://answersingenesis.org/geology...flood-geology/
                  "Catastrophic plate tectonics" by which Earth would still be a molten slagball... and his one or two super duper geologists are all ministry shills.

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                  • Originally posted by rook View Post
                    Your hand-waving makes you look weak.



                    But the real PhD geologists continue to clean your clock.

                    You remind me of the Black Knight...declaring victory with your arms and legs missing. Amusing.

                    https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs

                    Where his "real PHD geologists" is one demonstrated dishonest ministry shill...

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                    • Originally posted by Tim H View Post

                      Note that rook has dodged at least a dozen posted examples of evidence that he can't explain, like this one

                      still another angular unconformity

                      STOP INSTIGATING & INSULTING.
                      The incised meanders in the Grand Canyon are pretty convincing on their own - the river carving those paths is the only logical explanation and because it is at a measurable rate, we can prove beyond any rational doubt that the canyon formations are hundreds of millions of years old.

                      With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
                      Herb Silverman.

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                      • Originally posted by aussiedave View Post
                        The incised meanders in the Grand Canyon are pretty convincing on their own - the river carving those paths is the only logical explanation and because it is at a measurable rate, we can prove beyond any rational doubt that the canyon formations are hundreds of millions of years old.
                        Yep. Deep vertically incised switchback meanders like the ones seen in Gooseneck State Park in Utah are impossible to form in a one year Flood.

                        Gooseneck State park meanders

                        If the ground was mud soft enough to allow a slow moving meander to rapidly carve the switchbacks the walls would slump. Water flowing fast enough to carve vertical walls into the lithified sediment would blast a straight channel, not meander. The only way to get this formation is with a slow moving meandering stream cutting into already lithified rock = millions of years of erosion to form.

                        "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin

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                        • Originally posted by Tim H View Post

                          Yep. Deep vertically incised switchback meanders like the ones seen in Gooseneck State Park in Utah are impossible to form in a one year Flood.

                          Gooseneck State park meanders

                          If the ground was mud soft enough to allow a slow moving meander to rapidly carve the switchbacks the walls would slump. Water flowing fast enough to carve vertical walls into the lithified sediment would blast a straight channel, not meander. The only way to get this formation is with a slow moving meandering stream cutting into already lithified rock = millions of years of erosion to form.
                          No river can form a switchback canyon without tremendous forces supplied by large volumes of water moving at elevated speeds. This suggests something like huge dam breaks, not meandering rivers.
                          I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                          If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                          For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                          • Originally posted by marke View Post

                            No river can form a switchback canyon without tremendous forces supplied by large volumes of water moving at elevated speeds. This suggests something like huge dam breaks, not meandering rivers.
                            Ah, so you are a Geologist and Hydrologist too eh?
                            Tell us, how do you think mountains were formed and are still being formed today?
                            With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
                            Herb Silverman.

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                            • Originally posted by marke View Post

                              No river can form a switchback canyon without tremendous forces supplied by large volumes of water moving at elevated speeds. This suggests something like huge dam breaks, not meandering rivers.
                              wrong.
                              THE ONLY way a river can form a switchback canyon, is steady erosion by a meandering river.
                              Large volumes, at elevated speeds, creates a straight gorge.
                              try again.
                              When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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                              • Originally posted by Tim H View Post
                                Yep. Deep vertically incised switchback meanders like the ones seen in Gooseneck State Park in Utah are impossible to form in a one year Flood.

                                Gooseneck State park meanders

                                If the ground was mud soft enough to allow a slow moving meander to rapidly carve the switchbacks the walls would slump. Water flowing fast enough to carve vertical walls into the lithified sediment would blast a straight channel, not meander. The only way to get this formation is with a slow moving meandering stream cutting into already lithified rock = millions of years of erosion to form.
                                Perhaps a little bit more detail here to clarify the argument for millions of years.

                                The meandering pattern was established before down-cutting occurred. This implies two major processes, in succession, that could not occur in a short period of time.

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