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Fake Conversation on Unicorns

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  • AV1611VET
    started a topic Fake Conversation on Unicorns

    Fake Conversation on Unicorns

    I'm making up this fake conversation between my son and myself to show how I view things:

    AV JR: Daddy, do unicorns exist?
    AV VET: What does the Bible say?
    Junior: But do they exist today?
    VET: I doubt it. They probably went extinct for awhile.
    Junior: Joey's dad says they're probably hippopotamuses or something.
    VET: Joey's dad can't spell, can he?
    Junior: What do you mean?
    VET: Spell "unicorn".
    Junior: U N I C O R N
    VET: Now spell "hippopotamus".
    Junior: Okay, I see what you mean.
    VET: Who named the hippopotamuses in the Bible?
    Junior: Adam.
    VET: And who named the Unicorns in the Bible?
    Junior: Adam.
    VET: Good job. Now go play.

    Your thoughts?

  • AV1611VET
    replied
    Originally posted by barchan View Post
    Then is there anything that is artificial?
    Intelligence. Fruit.

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  • Michael R
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    Originally posted by barchan View Post
    I understand the viewpoint. Another way of looking at it is that if we are part of nature, anything we do must also be part of nature. The only alternative is supernatural and I believe the creationist stance would be that the origin of life is supernatural. That opens up a whole Pandora's box of philosophical predicaments.


    And then, thanks to our friends in the ID movement, we have to consider the idea of design. I think that design is often confused with 'artificial' and/or 'supernatural' as we have seen in our earlier discussions of detecting design and falsifiability of design. But in the context of this forum, design would probably not be 'natural'. What a dog's breakfast ...

    It's the basics of the debate that are far too easily confounded.

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  • barchan
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    Originally posted by Michael R View Post
    Only by definition. Anything man-made is still all natural in its components. For me, it's a philosophical outlook.
    I understand the viewpoint. Another way of looking at it is that if we are part of nature, anything we do must also be part of nature. The only alternative is supernatural and I believe the creationist stance would be that the origin of life is supernatural. That opens up a whole Pandora's box of philosophical predicaments.

    It's why I prefer the term animal husbandry to artificial selection. Man is a natural part of the animal's environment, thus natural selection still applies.
    And then, thanks to our friends in the ID movement, we have to consider the idea of design. I think that design is often confused with 'artificial' and/or 'supernatural' as we have seen in our earlier discussions of detecting design and falsifiability of design. But in the context of this forum, design would probably not be 'natural'. What a dog's breakfast ...

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  • Michael R
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    Originally posted by barchan View Post
    Then is there anything that is artificial?
    Only by definition. Anything man-made is still all natural in its components. For me, it's a philosophical outlook. It's why I prefer the term animal husbandry to artificial selection. Man is a natural part of the animal's environment, thus natural selection still applies.

    My two cents.

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  • barchan
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    Originally posted by Michael R View Post
    Unfortunately, it's all too natural, and far too common.
    Then is there anything that is artificial?

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  • D Laurier
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    Originally posted by Michael R View Post

    Unfortunately, it's all too natural, and far too common.
    We are not going to agree on it being natural.
    Common yes.

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  • Michael R
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    Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
    shut down their mind to accommodate religion.
    Unfortunately, it's all too natural, and far too common.

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  • D Laurier
    replied
    Originally posted by Michael R View Post

    Of course it was. Tell me one thing a man can do that is not natural.
    shut down their mind to accommodate religion.

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  • D Laurier
    replied
    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    Warning: Good question coming.
    Ok. That would be a refreshing change.

    That means my simple question will be answered with at least three paragraphs, instead of three letters.
    No. It means you are warning me that you have a good question you are going to ask.
    As though this were somehow dangerous

    Either that, or academians will need clarification (i.e., play dumb).
    If only we could find you some academians.
    Yes, some pre-enlightenment scholars, who keep themselves constrained by the bible.
    The sort of men who will dare not venture to ask questions about the value of the bible as a history book and science book.
    People who share your strange need to place mythology above experiment.



    Here it comes.
    Ok.....

    Get ready.
    For?

    Was the Columbine massacre natural?
    Huh?
    Wow...
    A bizzare question, that is pointless, and open to a wide range of interpretation.
    Was the Columbine massacre natural?
    Both yes and no at the same time.


    So having got that distraction out of the way, where is that good question you warned me about?
    The one that is simple?


    And what does this have to do with the fact that the devil remains imaginary?

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  • barchan
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    Originally posted by Michael R View Post
    Tell me one thing a man can do that is not natural.
    A Mars rover? 😊

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  • AV1611VET
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    Originally posted by Michael R View Post
    Of course it was. Tell me one thing a man can do that is not natural.
    Thank you for an honest answer.

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  • Michael R
    replied
    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    Warning: Good question coming.

    That means my simple question will be answered with at least three paragraphs, instead of three letters.

    Either that, or academians will need clarification (i.e., play dumb).



    Here it comes.

    Get ready.

    Was the Columbine massacre natural?
    Of course it was. Tell me one thing a man can do that is not natural.

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  • barchan
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    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
    Aren't you cherry picking then?
    No, but you might be.

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  • AV1611VET
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    Originally posted by barchan View Post
    I would say no.
    Aren't you cherry picking then?

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