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  • In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

    Genesis 1: 1
    In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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    Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

    There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

    The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

  • #2
    Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
    Genesis 1: 1
    In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
    -----

    Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

    There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

    The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
    The eternal truth as it REALLY exists!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
      Genesis 1: 1
      In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
      -----

      Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

      There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

      The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
      Unfortunately for fundamentalists, evolution is true, Satan is not an independent entity, snakes donít talk, fruit does not give knowledge or life, woman was not formed from a bone, etc., etc. Fundies choose to believe a mythological fantasy as something that literally happened. Fundies are like children unable or unwilling to grasp reality and believing dolls and make believe stories as real things. It is sad really to watch grown humans behave in such a way when there likely remains a much richer meaning for our existence.
      We shall not injure God by remaining ignorant of Him, but shall deprive ourselves of His friendship.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
        Genesis 1: 1
        In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
        -----

        Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

        There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

        The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
        And did it create the universe less than 6000 years ago as hypothesized in the bible (Gen 1 Gen 5 Luke 3), or did it create the universe billions of years ago?



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        • #5
          Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
          And did it create the universe less than 6000 years ago as hypothesized in the bible (Gen 1 Gen 5 Luke 3), or did it create the universe billions of years ago?
          Again:
          Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.
          Nothing evolved from nothing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
            Genesis 1: 1
            In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
            -----

            Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

            There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

            The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
            Something must exist to create from and we know God existed but do we know what to create means.

            Though the scriptures state that God created the heavens and the earth which are only external signs that point to God the scriptures do not state that God was ever alone. The law of circularity might indeed explain that.

            If God has always existed there is no reason not to believe all things already existed with God or in God or both.

            The problem is how we understand what create means and the purpose for it.

            No use discussing what evolve means if we do not understand what create means and we may just find that there is similarity in these terms once they are understood.

            If God is complete then there would be no use for God to create in the way that we understand the word create unless the word create has a different meaning than commonly understood.

            Now, when I say God is complete that means that God has no need to create in the sense there was something lacking in God's economy thus all things would always have been with God.

            How ever the law of circularity should give us a clue what create actually means and the fact that there was darkness on the face of the deep should also give us a clue.

            Darkness contrast the light shows that there is foundation, structure or mold or frame and even stage (for showmanship) that all things hinge upon. Let us think on these things when we discuss creation.

            God bless you,

            SeventhDay

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

              Something must exist to create from and we know God existed but do we know what to create means.

              Though the scriptures state that God created the heavens and the earth which are only external signs that point to God the scriptures do not state that God was ever alone. The law of circularity might indeed explain that.

              If God has always existed there is no reason not to believe all things already existed with God or in God or both.

              The problem is how we understand what create means and the purpose for it.

              No use discussing what evolve means if we do not understand what create means and we may just find that there is similarity in these terms once they are understood.

              If God is complete then there would be no use for God to create in the way that we understand the word create unless the word create has a different meaning than commonly understood.

              Now, when I say God is complete that means that God has no need to create in the sense there was something lacking in God's economy thus all things would always have been with God.

              How ever the law of circularity should give us a clue what create actually means and the fact that there was darkness on the face of the deep should also give us a clue.

              Darkness contrast the light shows that there is foundation, structure or mold or frame and even stage (for showmanship) that all things hinge upon. Let us think on these things when we discuss creation.

              God bless you,

              SeventhDay
              Create means from non-existence to existence.
              Evolution does not account for creation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post

                Create means from non-existence to existence.
                Evolution does not account for creation.
                I do not know how ready you are for this topic because it is a spiritually deep topic and what contributions I have for this OP are unorthodox.

                Because I am unorthodox does not mean I will not give scriptural support because scriptural support is primary but man's traditions are not.

                The fact is that many can not filter what is tradition from what is scriptures because they read scriptures through traditional lenses.

                If you are going to be uncomfortable and uneasy with any input I give please say so and I will stay away from your OP.

                God bless you,

                SeventhDay

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                  Again:
                  Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.
                  Nothing evolved from nothing.
                  So how old is the universe? Is it less than 6000 years old as hypothesized from the bible (Gen 1 & 5 Luke 3), or is it billions of years old given there are two trillion visible galaxies and the speed of light is 300,000 km/sec?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                    So how old is the universe? Is it less than 6000 years old as hypothesized from the bible (Gen 1 & 5 Luke 3), or is it billions of years old given there are two trillion visible galaxies and the speed of light is 300,000 km/sec?
                    Who cares how old it is?

                    What matters is how long it's been in existence.

                    And I have to wonder why that matters as well.

                    How old are electrons?
                    THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
                      Who cares how old it is?

                      What matters is how long it's been in existence.

                      And I have to wonder why that matters as well.

                      How old are electrons?
                      So how long has the universe been in existence? Has the universe been in existence for less than 6000 years or for billions of years?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                        So how long has the universe been in existence? Has the universe been in existence for less than 6000 years or for billions of years?
                        The universe has been in existence since 4004 BC.
                        THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                          Genesis 1: 1
                          In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
                          If God made the earth, then the evidence we find in the earth is just as much from God as what we read in the Bible. God made both the World and the Word; both are from God.

                          The world, which is God's direct handiwork, tells us that the universe was created about 13.5 billion years ago. We can use God's work to eliminate incorrect interpretations of God's word -- and the number of different Christian denominations shows that there are various incorrect interpretations of the Bible. We can use God's world to help find the correct reading of God's word.

                          God's world shows us that the 6,000 year old universe of the YEC Bible interpretation is incorrect.
                          The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post

                            The universe has been in existence since 4004 BC.
                            Unsupported assertion. Or do you mean 4004 years Before Creation, given the unequivocal evidence that the universe is billions of years old, since there are two trillion visible galaxies and the speed of light is 300,000 km/sec.

                            If you actually believe otherwise, then what evidence do you have to support your hypothesis that the average spacing between stars in less than 3 billion kilometres, given Neptune is 4.5 billion kilometres from Earth?
                            Last edited by juglans1; 02-16-19, 05:04 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rossum View Post

                              If God made the earth, then the evidence we find in the earth is just as much from God as what we read in the Bible. God made both the World and the Word; both are from God.

                              The world, which is God's direct handiwork, tells us that the universe was created about 13.5 billion years ago. We can use God's work to eliminate incorrect interpretations of God's word -- and the number of different Christian denominations shows that there are various incorrect interpretations of the Bible. We can use God's world to help find the correct reading of God's word.

                              God's world shows us that the 6,000 year old universe of the YEC Bible interpretation is incorrect.
                              Good Post! However, I believe it is more accurate to say God is the Word

                              God bless you,

                              SeventhDay.

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