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  • #16
    Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

    Good Post! However, I believe it is more accurate to say God is the Word

    God bless you,

    SeventhDay.
    So what relevance is that to the unequivocal fact that the universe is billions of years old?

    ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rossum View Post
      If God made the earth, then the evidence we find in the earth is just as much from God as what we read in the Bible. God made both the World and the Word; both are from God.
      And yet Paul, God's amanuensis, warns us about putting too much stock in the rudiments of the world, because it can lead us away from Christ.

      Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

      These "rudiments of the world" (periodic table, DNA, etc.), if not interpreted correctly, can (and does) lead to atheism.

      Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,* they became fools,

      * A subset of God's creation known as "Homo sapiens" (the "wise ones").
      THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
        So what relevance is that to the unequivocal fact that the universe is billions of years old?
        The relevance is that God speaks to us in diverse ways and one of those ways is though the things God has made and scientists avail themselves of this.

        However, they are probably off billions of years. It could be a billion or 10 billion for that matter but I am not a scientist. Perhaps they are right on. I do not know even if they explained it to me unless I took a course in Physics and other sciences. However, I still probably would not understand.

        God bless you,

        SeventhDay

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        • #19
          Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
          And yet Paul, God's amanuensis, warns us about putting too much stock in the rudiments of the world, because it can lead us away from Christ.

          Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

          These "rudiments of the world" (periodic table, DNA, etc.), if not interpreted correctly, can (and does) lead to atheism.

          Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise,* they became fools,

          * A subset of God's creation known as "Homo sapiens" (the "wise ones").
          God can give scientist natural wisdom and some scientist are Christians who can discern spiritual things.

          God bless you,

          SeventhDay

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

            The relevance is that God speaks to us in diverse ways and one of those ways is though the things God has made and scientists avail themselves of this.
            Do you have any evidence to support that hypothesis?

            However, they are probably off billions of years. It could be a billion or 10 billion for that matter but I am not a scientist. Perhaps they are right on. I do not know even if they explained it to me unless I took a course in Physics and other sciences. However, I still probably would not understand.

            God bless you,

            SeventhDay
            You only need a basic knowledge of simple arithmetic, given that there are ~two trillion visible galaxies, each with ~100 billion stars and the speed of light is 300,000 kilometres per second.

            ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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            • #21
              Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
              Do you have any evidence to support that hypothesis?

              You only need a basic knowledge of simple arithmetic, given that there are ~two trillion visible galaxies, each with ~100 billion stars and the speed of light is 300,000 kilometres per second.
              I am already lost but you can send me into deep space to count each star one by one but I will be long dead before I get to the first star and very very very old!

              God bless you,

              SeventhDay

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              • #22
                Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post
                God can give scientist natural wisdom and some scientist are Christians who can discern spiritual things.
                That is absolutely correct.

                Just as God calls some men to preach, or teach, or be a missionary, or be an evangelist, etc., I believe He calls some men into the laboratory.

                By way of example, God could have called Darwin into the medical field to find a cure for cancer.

                But just like Nimrod, who started out "a mighty hunter before the LORD," and ended up building an empire so evil the Antichrist will resurrect it during the tribulation (Sumeria), Darwin "went Nimrod" and abandoned his family (almost like Gautama did, but not as bad), and left his calling to pursue other interests.
                THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                  I am already lost but you can send me into deep space to count each star one by one but I will be long dead before I get to the first star and very very very old!

                  God bless you,

                  SeventhDay
                  Still doesn't change the unequivocal fact that the universe is billions of years old.

                  ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
                    These "rudiments of the world" (periodic table, DNA, etc.), if not interpreted correctly, can (and does) lead to atheism.
                    The Bible, if not interpreted correctly, can lead to atheism. All those OT massacres and orders to kill witches can turn a lot of people off.
                    The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                      Still doesn't change the unequivocal fact that the universe is billions of years old.
                      Guesses are not facts.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rossum View Post
                        The Bible, if not interpreted correctly, can lead to atheism. All those OT massacres and orders to kill witches can turn a lot of people off.
                        God is no afraid of academia.

                        He had no problem documenting and preserving things He did, in spite of what academia would later claim.
                        THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                          Genesis 1: 1
                          I'm not aware of that album.
                          In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
                          In the time before the age of men, Elf cause the earth to form.
                          -----
                          ...

                          Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.
                          Huh?
                          What are you babbling?

                          There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created.
                          And no evidence that your "Almighty" exists.

                          Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.
                          Ok. So what is your point?
                          Who who or what is this "Creator"?

                          The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
                          Nope.
                          Try again.
                          The existence of the concept of evolution is utterly dependent on the existence of the process of evolution.
                          A process well understood by people of all religions.
                          A process so well documented that anyone can find a dozen examples with a casual Google search.

                          When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
                            That is absolutely correct.

                            Just as God calls some men to preach, or teach, or be a missionary, or be an evangelist, etc., I believe He calls some men into the laboratory.

                            By way of example, God could have called Darwin into the medical field to find a cure for cancer.

                            But just like Nimrod, who started out "a mighty hunter before the LORD," and ended up building an empire so evil the Antichrist will resurrect it during the tribulation (Sumeria), Darwin "went Nimrod" and abandoned his family (almost like Gautama did, but not as bad), and left his calling to pursue other interests.
                            We have been over this. And no... Darwin never abandoned his family. He remained an active husband and father all his life. Fully involved with his family. The same family he continued to live with until his death. The same family to whom he left a sizable fortune in land, investments, and savings.
                            You have a unique gift for believing the most absurd things that you can make up.
                            When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                              Again:
                              Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.
                              Huh?
                              Can you clarify your statement?
                              And also, what is this "Creator" you invoke?

                              Nothing evolved from nothing.
                              Huh?
                              Can you clarify this statement?
                              It is too convoluted.

                              When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post

                                Create means from non-existence to existence.
                                And?

                                Evolution does not account for creation.
                                Nor does it need to.
                                It just needs to happen.
                                When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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