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  • #61
    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
    So why did that particular god want to have a wrestling match with Jacob,
    Beats me.

    We know that out of it though, he was given the name "Israel."

    In addition, there's just something about a person that has an encounter with a famous person.

    My brother, a pool hustler, took on Willie Mosconi (and lost).

    I played Bobby Fischer.

    Originally posted by juglans1
    ... and why did Abraham's particular god want to have a face to face discussion about the number of righteous children in Gomorrah?
    Had that conversation not taken place, we would not know the extent of the wickedness that those cities had sunk.
    THE BIBLE SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
      Beats me.

      We know that out of it though, he was given the name "Israel."

      In addition, there's just something about a person that has an encounter with a famous person.
      Just words in a book.

      My brother, a pool hustler, took on Willie Mosconi (and lost).

      I played Bobby Fischer.
      But have you ever played against a god?

      Had that conversation not taken place, we would not know the extent of the wickedness that those cities had sunk.
      So why wasn't that particular god an omniscient and/or omnipresent type of god?
      ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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      • #63
        Originally posted by AV1611VET View Post
        Interesting you refer to God as "it", in light of the fact that academia is nature worship in disguise.
        Given that academia is not nature worship. It has never been nature worship. And it is pretty much the opposite of nature worship.
        Academia is the sum total of study and scholarship in all fields. And the total body of all scholars, students, and interested parties... including patrons and sponsors.

        Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
        Parisiens 2:34 What? Thou art missingeth the beginingeth of thy paragraph.
        And whateth art thou talkingeth abouteth?


        But nature worship aside, have you ever heard the saying:
        ...
        "Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, and in the New Testament revealed."
        Some similar tripe.

        I can't explain everything God did in the Old Testament, but you brought up the point that [He] communed with Abraham before going on down to Gomorrah.
        And invoking He again.

        In the New Testament, after Jesus' resurrection, every time He was with His disciples ... can you tell me what He did?
        Who or what is "He"?
        When evil is powerful, good men are silenced.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
          Given that academia is not nature worship. It has never been nature worship. And it is pretty much the opposite of nature worship.
          You area distant academia outsider by choice. You don't speak for them. Darwin was a preacher trainee, lifetime unemployed academia outsider. The author of the laws of higgledly piggledly.

          Chuck-A-Mo Chuck-A-mo
          Last edited by 4Him; 02-17-19, 02:29 PM. Reason: No violation

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          • #65
            Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
            So why was that particular god neither omniscient nor omnipresent,
            God depicted is omniscient and omnipresent, so what false god are you addresssing?
            and why did it need to walk down to Gomorrah to count the number of righteous children for itself?
            For other reasons since onmiscience means the answer was already known. How hard can this be?

            Why? Abraham had nothing to do with Sodom or Gomorrah and with Lot's sons-in-law wanting to know what two strangers were up to in Lot's house, and why Lot was trying to pimp their future wives before Lot slunk out of Zoar with a stack of booze and sexually assaulted them in a cave.
            Your questions are rhetorical and hostile as opposed to rational. Their mindset had to do with hospitality laws they followed in those days. It sounds like your mob of wretched homosexuals was wanting to gang rape men by breaking into a house. It really sounds like things had degraded to a point there where the only thing left was judgement. You would prefer to ignore all that and concentrate on Lot and the females. That is called cherry picking along with irrational appeals to outrage. Your whole analysis is false, sideways and hostile. You wish to vent your contempt as opposed to any detached analysis which says more about you than it does about the text. Where would you fit into the story, because i am seeing you in the mob since the mindset of theirs are yours are more the same in that they are driven by hate.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
              Genesis 1: 1
              In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
              -----

              Almighty God, the Eternal, created. There was no other. God has eternally existed.

              There's no possible alternative explanation for the existence for all the Almighty created. Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.

              The existence of the concept of evolution is a tool for Satan to take people away from the truth of creation and then take people away from salvation through the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.
              Welcome to the board.
              Good for you - you have nailed your colours to the mast.
              We shall soon see if you are a realist.
              With all the conflicting religious beliefs in the world, they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong.
              Herb Silverman.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post
                God depicted is omniscient and omnipresent, so what false god are you addresssing? For other reasons since onmiscience means the answer was already known. How hard can this be?
                In other words, unlike other gods described in Gen 1:26-27, the particular god which Abraham shared a meal with was neither an omniscient nor omnipresent type of god, since it needed to walk down to Gomorrah to count the number of righteous children for itself (Gen 18:20-21). Or was that just a Lord which Abraham shared a meal with, or a false god and not a real god?

                "And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
                I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know".


                Your questions are rhetorical and hostile as opposed to rational. Their mindset had to do with hospitality laws they followed in those days. It sounds like your mob of wretched homosexuals was wanting to gang rape men by breaking into a house. It really sounds like things had degraded to a point there where the only thing left was judgement. You would prefer to ignore all that and concentrate on Lot and the females. That is called cherry picking along with irrational appeals to outrage. Your whole analysis is false, sideways and hostile. You wish to vent your contempt as opposed to any detached analysis which says more about you than it does about the text. Where would you fit into the story, because i am seeing you in the mob since the mindset of theirs are yours are more the same in that they are driven by hate.
                What utter nonsense. Have you ever actually read that story, or do you just believe what preacher men selling after-death salvation tell you to believe? There is nothing whatsoever in the S&G story about homosexuals or about gang rape. You're just making that up, and given that Jesus said the story was about inhospitality (Matt 11:24 10:14-15). Or do you believe that Jesus and what he said is irrelevant?

                Or are you claiming that Lot's sons-in-law, who were outside Lot's house and banging on the door, wanted to have loving sex with the two strangers in Lot's house instead of with their future wives, given that the word "know" which you falsely refer to is used elsewhere in the bible to describe a loving relationship and certainly not as a synonym for rape.

                Or are you claiming that Lot's sons-in-law, as well as the men, women and children (ie "all the people") were all lining up to have sex with the two blokes Lot was trying to pimp his two daughters to?

                Last edited by juglans1; 02-17-19, 03:09 PM.
                ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                  You area distant academia outsider by choice. You don't speak for them. Darwin was a preacher trainee, lifetime unemployed academia outsider. The author of the laws of higgledly piggledly.

                  Chuck-A-Mo Chuck-A-mo
                  What is an "area distant academia outsider" and do they live on the Red Cliff Reservation too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cl...erior_Chippewa

                  ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                    What is an "area distant academia outsider" ........................
                    Are you homeschooled?



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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                      Are you homeschooled?
                      Nope. Nor can I sail at over 30 knots per hour either, which is why I don't know what an "area distant academia outsider" is.
                      ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                        Nope. Nor can I sail at over 30 knots per hour either.
                        No school?

                        My good and kind agent for the propagation of the Gospel -i.e., the devil's gospel. Ever Yours, Charles Darwin.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by rossum View Post

                          Dr. Humphreys published 'Starlight and Time' in 1994. His arguments are incorrect and have been refuted. See Creationist Claim CE412: Fast Old Light.

                          One of the problems with ID/Creationism is that it is not good at producing new ideas. Hence most of their arguments have already been dealt with because they have been around for a long time; 25 years in Dr. Humphreys case.
                          What about Dr. Jason Lisle?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Faith1960 View Post

                            What about Dr. Jason Lisle?
                            His claims are as much contradicted by reality as Humphreys'. His "simultaneousness convention" cannot deal with multiple images due to gravitational lensing.
                            Regards, HRG.

                            "The universe doesn't care what happens to its inhabitants, but its inhabitants do" (Tyrrho).

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                            • #74
                              Of course the Bible doesnt say Paul cleaved to Silas as juglans1 suggested elsewhere on another thread, so check very carefully what juglans claims as most of it is not true.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                                Again:
                                Something did not spontaneously come into existence separate from the Creator.
                                Nothing evolved from nothing.
                                Says who?
                                How do you know "something" hasn't always existed?

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