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  • "Evolution" vs. the intelligently designed ability to adapt to changing environments

    Thankfully, our God built an ability to adapt to various environments into the DNA of His creation.. one that works so well that secular humanists would be able to pirate this God-given propensity later on as some sort of explanation for our origins (or at least an explanation of how various species originated -after- the first origins of life, which they have to refer to astrophysicists and cosmologists).

    What scientists have observed -- adaptation to specific environments -- is the God-given ability for His created species to gradually change (while fully maintaining their species' particular traits) in response to changing weather patterns or specific ecological environments. More or fewer feathers or fur.. bigger or smaller teeth.. lighter or darker skin tone ..those types of things are what we observe. What we most definitely don't observe is a gradual transition of species due to positive DNA mutations over millions of years. We'd've found billions upon billions of transitional fossils were this the case, not to mention we'd still see billions of creatures in the midst of transitioning from one species to the next.

    As an example, we might observe barking sharks who lay eggs or giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies -- that sorta thing. Instead, what we see are hard lines between species and absolutely zero transitional fossils (beyond a handful of examples that lying secular humanists will try to pawn off as -being- transitional only to be thwarted because it turns out that species either still exists or we can find no transitional examples from before or after their sudden appearance).

    We thank our God for adaptation and should not only defund any and all "research" projects into the myth of evolution but scrap the thousands upon thousands of secular textbooks that teach against the God-given ability for His creation to adapt to changing environments.

    That, and we need to start firing secular humanist trash from our educational systems.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post
    Thankfully, our God built an ability to adapt to various environments into the DNA of His creation.
    No, evolution is not inherent in DNA. Evolution needs an imperfect copying mechanism and some resource constraint. Our copying mechanism uses both RNA and DNA, while the resource constraint is the availability of food or sunlight.

    Whatever source you are using is misinforming you. A statement with such elementary scientific mistakes is unlikely to convince anyone.

    ... the God-given ability for His created species to ...
    Please indicate your scientific observations of any deity creating a new species.
    The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post
      Thankfully, our God built an ability to adapt to various environments into the DNA of His creation.. one that works so well that secular humanists would be able to pirate this God-given propensity later on as some sort of explanation for our origins (or at least an explanation of how various species originated -after- the first origins of life, which they have to refer to astrophysicists and cosmologists).

      What scientists have observed -- adaptation to specific environments -- is the God-given ability for His created species to gradually change (while fully maintaining their species' particular traits) in response to changing weather patterns or specific ecological environments. More or fewer feathers or fur.. bigger or smaller teeth.. lighter or darker skin tone ..those types of things are what we observe. What we most definitely don't observe is a gradual transition of species due to positive DNA mutations over millions of years. We'd've found billions upon billions of transitional fossils were this the case, not to mention we'd still see billions of creatures in the midst of transitioning from one species to the next.

      As an example, we might observe barking sharks who lay eggs or giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies -- that sorta thing. Instead, what we see are hard lines between species and absolutely zero transitional fossils (beyond a handful of examples that lying secular humanists will try to pawn off as -being- transitional only to be thwarted because it turns out that species either still exists or we can find no transitional examples from before or after their sudden appearance).

      We thank our God for adaptation and should not only defund any and all "research" projects into the myth of evolution but scrap the thousands upon thousands of secular textbooks that teach against the God-given ability for His creation to adapt to changing environments.

      That, and we need to start firing secular humanist trash from our educational systems.
      This is really a sad, desperate attempt to hold onto a religious organization that has failed you. They have failed you by leading you to believe in superstitions and myths as literal, historical facts, when the actual facts from our world say otherwise. Evolution is irrefutable and here is one example that refutes your erroneous assertion above.

      Whales and hippos are closely related and genetic analysis of each has proven that, although one would never have assumed it by looking at them, for one is a big land mammal eating grass and the other is exclusively a large sea mammal eating small plankton, yet, they are cousins, indicating that they transitioned from a common ancestor.

      Contrary to what you have been taught in religious classes there is no evidence of a supernatural being spontaneously creating whales or hippos nor is there evidence of a supernatural being altering DNA of any common animal to produce whales or hippos living in entirely different niches. However, the evidence overwhelmingly supports what you refuse to accept, that random, small mutations in DNA over millions of years from a common ancestor allowed two entirely different species to evolve in entirely different niches. There is no other rational explanation.

      https://phys.org/news/2005-01-scient...-relative.html
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rossum View Post

        No, evolution is not inherent in DNA. Evolution needs an imperfect copying mechanism and some resource constraint. Our copying mechanism uses both RNA and DNA, while the resource constraint is the availability of food or sunlight.
        Whatever source you are using is misinforming you. A statement with such elementary scientific mistakes is unlikely to convince anyone.
        ...
        Please indicate your scientific observations of any deity creating a new species.
        n>More jokes? About this, sciency poster:

        Originally posted by rossum View Post

        ... Please indicate your scientific observations of any deity creating a new species.
        n>Please indicate the use of scientific observations of new species coming from other older species. Maybe something like those scientific Spartans are doing over there in Lenski's experiments at MSU... something really science like that... you know, billions and billions of generations under controlled environments etc. Surely you know how to do experiments, right? Surely you've done lots of them, right? You've studied lots of them, right? You know how that sort of thing is done, right? Surely. So, showtime. New species. From old species. Ready, set, showtime. ToE works, right? Ready, set, showtime. Forget the blokes here who say speciation does not happen like that. You show how it's done. You came from LUCA, right? As did all other life forms (extinct and extant) on Earth, right? Or do you have another scheme to account for all Earth's lifeforms?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post
          giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies --.
          ... Is something that would refute evolution utterly.
          A slam dunk for creationism, since such a monstrosity can only be the result of a god magically creating it.
          Another crocoduck
          So go find a giraffe with wing sprouts, and eyes like those of flies. That will be the best evidence for your creationist ideology.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by noemail001 View Post

            n>More jokes? About this, sciency poster:



            n>Please indicate the use of scientific observations of new species coming from other older species. Maybe something like those scientific Spartans are doing over there in Lenski's experiments at MSU... something really science like that... you know, billions and billions of generations under controlled environments etc. Surely you know how to do experiments, right? Surely you've done lots of them, right? You've studied lots of them, right? You know how that sort of thing is done, right? Surely. So, showtime. New species. From old species. Ready, set, showtime. ToE works, right? Ready, set, showtime. Forget the blokes here who say speciation does not happen like that. You show how it's done. You came from LUCA, right? As did all other life forms (extinct and extant) on Earth, right? Or do you have another scheme to account for all Earth's lifeforms?
            .
            This help?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by noemail001 View Post
              n>Please indicate the use of scientific observations of new species coming from other older species.
              Certainly. Here are two:
              • Lyko (2017) The marbled crayfish (Decapoda: Cambaridae) represents an independent new species.

              • Tauber and Tauber (1977) Sympatric Speciation Based on Allelic Changes at Three Loci: Evidence from Natural Populations in Two Habitats.
              The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post
                Thankfully, our God built an ability to adapt to various environments into the DNA of His creation.. one that works so well that secular humanists would be able to pirate this God-given propensity later on as some sort of explanation for our origins (or at least an explanation of how various species originated -after- the first origins of life, which they have to refer to astrophysicists and cosmologists).
                Given that secular humanists have exactly ziltch to do with the biology you fail to have actually studied, you seem to be trying to force them into a role that they have never occupied.
                Try asking biologists instead.


                What scientists have observed -- adaptation to specific environments -- is the God-given ability for His created species to gradually change (while fully maintaining their species' particular traits) in response to changing weather patterns or specific ecological environments. More or fewer feathers or fur.. bigger or smaller teeth.. lighter or darker skin tone ..those types of things are what we observe. What we most definitely don't observe is a gradual transition of species due to positive DNA mutations over millions of years. We'd've found billions upon billions of transitional fossils were this the case, not to mention we'd still see billions of creatures in the midst of transitioning from one species to the next.
                Provide an example of a "His" creature.
                Given how rare fossilization is... why would we find billions of fossils?


                As an example, we might observe barking sharks who lay eggs or giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies -- that sorta thing. Instead, what we see are hard lines between species and absolutely zero transitional fossils (beyond a handful of examples that lying secular humanists will try to pawn off as -being- transitional only to be thwarted because it turns out that species either still exists or we can find no transitional examples from before or after their sudden appearance).
                Barking sharks?
                And a bizzare chimera, composed of a giraffe base, with "wing sprouts"... whatever those are, and arthropod eyes.
                The first seems to be simply an as yet not real species of shark.
                The second is a chimera, which the creationist doctrine does support, but which is biologically impossible.
                And no examples of any "lying secular humanists".
                And ALL species are transitional.


                We thank our God for adaptation and should not only defund any and all "research" projects into the myth of evolution but scrap the thousands upon thousands of secular textbooks that teach against the God-given ability for His creation to adapt to changing environments.
                What is the myth of evolution?
                What is "His creation"?

                That, and we need to start firing secular humanist trash from our educational systems.
                First you need to find some "secular humanist trash". Then you need to arrange for it to be hired by our educational system.


                So back to your "giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies".
                Please clarify what "wing sprouts" are.
                And explain how a chordate would have arthropod eyes.

                There are presently seven (7) separate species of giraffe.
                Each genetically distinct. They do not, and can not, interbreed.
                All seven are derived from a now extinct ancestor.
                Giraffe are related to Okapi.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post
                  Thankfully, our God built an ability to adapt to various environments into the DNA of His creation.. one that works so well that secular humanists would be able to pirate this God-given propensity later on as some sort of explanation for our origins (or at least an explanation of how various species originated -after- the first origins of life, which they have to refer to astrophysicists and cosmologists).

                  What scientists have observed -- adaptation to specific environments -- is the God-given ability for His created species to gradually change (while fully maintaining their species' particular traits) in response to changing weather patterns or specific ecological environments. More or fewer feathers or fur.. bigger or smaller teeth.. lighter or darker skin tone ..those types of things are what we observe. What we most definitely don't observe is a gradual transition of species due to positive DNA mutations over millions of years. We'd've found billions upon billions of transitional fossils were this the case, not to mention we'd still see billions of creatures in the midst of transitioning from one species to the next.

                  As an example, we might observe barking sharks who lay eggs or giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies -- that sorta thing. Instead, what we see are hard lines between species and absolutely zero transitional fossils (beyond a handful of examples that lying secular humanists will try to pawn off as -being- transitional only to be thwarted because it turns out that species either still exists or we can find no transitional examples from before or after their sudden appearance).

                  We thank our God for adaptation and should not only defund any and all "research" projects into the myth of evolution but scrap the thousands upon thousands of secular textbooks that teach against the God-given ability for His creation to adapt to changing environments.

                  That, and we need to start firing secular humanist trash from our educational systems.
                  It is inconceivable to me that you would predict the kind of thing that would prove creation (or at least disprove evolution) and say those things would be predicted by evolution. I don't want to think you are willfully ignorant of evolution, but what other conclusion can I come to? Any familiarity with the subject would tell you this isn't how any of this works.

                  Look. Most evolution supporters here, if not all, know what Christianity is, and if asked could describe it accurately. I dare any one of the creationists here to do the same for evolution.

                  I think you are scared to understand evolution, because what if it's true??? That would crumble your whole world...even though it wouldn't have to. You are scared of the truth, and scared that people will accept it and ignore what you believe. You failed in the fair court of scientific inquiry, failed in the actual court of law, and now all you can hope for is to indoctrinate students into your beliefs by trying to cut in line past all the evidence, study, and hard work scientific ideas must attain in order to be taught in schools. Well I'm sorry, but religious beliefs have had a head start on science of at least 10,000 years, had control of society, government, and all fields of life... and was the starting assumption of the earliest scientists. And non-supernatural science is STILL winning despite all that! Creationism doesn't DESERVE to be taught in science classes like it was true.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
                    And ALL species are transitional.
                    I don’t think that this, including its implications, is mentioned enough. Thank you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rossum View Post

                      No, evolution is not inherent in DNA.
                      Correct.. evolution is only inherent in the imaginations of silly people

                      Evolution needs an imperfect copying mechanism and some resource constraint. Our copying mechanism uses both RNA and DNA, while the resource constraint is the availability of food or sunlight.
                      lol

                      you guys should start a comedy nightclub franchise

                      Whatever source you are using is misinforming you. A statement with such elementary scientific mistakes is unlikely to convince anyone.
                      ..kind of a shame your sources have been tainted and lying from Day 1, hmm?



                      Please indicate your scientific observations of any deity creating a new species.
                      Your ability to type that.

                      Last edited by EOCTruth; 06-07-19, 11:13 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by D Laurier View Post
                        Given that secular humanists have exactly ziltch to do with the biology you fail to have actually studied, you seem to be trying to force them into a role that they have never occupied.
                        Try asking biologists instead.
                        isn't that cute.. always passing the buck when trembling in the corner they're backed into



                        Provide an example of a "His" creature.
                        Given how rare fossilization is... why would we find billions of fossils?
                        <picking teeth>

                        <smashes D in the face with a 50lb salmon>

                        ..we'd see billions upon billions of transitional -life forms-, as well.. don't even need the fossils

                        Barking sharks?
                        exactly.. something almost as far fetched as the idea of "evolution", as opposed to intelligently designed adaptation

                        And a bizzare chimera, composed of a giraffe base, with "wing sprouts"... whatever those are, and arthropod eyes.
                        The first seems to be simply an as yet not real species of shark.
                        The second is a chimera, which the creationist doctrine does support, but which is biologically impossible.
                        And no examples of any "lying secular humanists".
                        And ALL species are transitional.
                        ..and there's no transitional examples between these supposed transitionals, huh? IF evolution were even remotely true, we'd be surrounded by millions upon millions of various transitionals that would tell the story of what exactly has been occurring on the "evolutionary front" for the past few thousand years -- but that's another post where you guys are gonna lose it


                        What is the myth of evolution?
                        What is "His creation"?
                        The "myth of evolution" is your perceived reality.. you've been living in a dream world, D.

                        "His creation" refers to the material creation of all things everywhere by your God


                        First you need to find some "secular humanist trash". Then you need to arrange for it to be hired by our educational system.
                        mm hmm.. just look for the schools that have little to no security, horrible cafeteria food, liberal teachers/professors, and protests against anything even remotely religious -- they're packed with secular trash


                        So back to your "giraffes with the beginning of wing sprouts who happened to have eyes similar to flies".
                        Please clarify what "wing sprouts" are.
                        And explain how a chordate would have arthropod eyes.
                        With DNA mutations, ANYTHING is possible, or are you suggesting there's a boundary to the effects of DNA mutations?


                        There are presently seven (7) separate species of giraffe.
                        Each genetically distinct. They do not, and can not, interbreed.
                        All seven are derived from a now extinct ancestor.
                        Giraffe are related to Okapi.
                        Only God knows why He created them that way -- and your blatant contradiction is duly noted.

                        "They do not, and can not, interbreed." : "All seven are derived from a now extinct ancestor."



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by docphin View Post

                          This is really a sad, desperate attempt to hold onto a religious organization that has failed you. They have failed you by leading you to believe in superstitions and myths as literal, historical facts, when the actual facts from our world say otherwise. Evolution is irrefutable and here is one example that refutes your erroneous assertion above.
                          Should I strap myself in?

                          Whales and hippos are closely related and genetic analysis of each has proven that, although one would never have assumed it by looking at them, for one is a big land mammal eating grass and the other is exclusively a large sea mammal eating small plankton, yet, they are cousins, indicating that they transitioned from a common ancestor.
                          BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

                          That's it?!?! You had me perspiring for a moment.

                          Answer me this then, jeenyus.. why ain't there any transitional examples still living today? We should have millions upon millions of transitional examples (whales with foot/leg sprouts beginning -- spout-bearing hippos that still swim after krill -- that sorta thing)

                          Contrary to what you have been taught in religious classes there is no evidence of a supernatural being spontaneously creating whales or hippos nor is there evidence of a supernatural being altering DNA of any common animal to produce whales or hippos living in entirely different niches. However, the evidence overwhelmingly supports what you refuse to accept, that random, small mutations in DNA over millions of years from a common ancestor allowed two entirely different species to evolve in entirely different niches. There is no other rational explanation.

                          https://phys.org/news/2005-01-scient...-relative.html
                          "no other rational explanation" - LMMFAO

                          So.. you'll buy into any explanation as long as it sounds plausible, regardless of whether or not there's -any- underlying evidence available (in this case, the availability of transitional fossils AND extent transitionals roaming the earth)?
                          Last edited by EOCTruth; 06-07-19, 11:17 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by D Laurier View Post

                            ... Is something that would refute evolution utterly.
                            A slam dunk for creationism, since such a monstrosity can only be the result of a god magically creating it.
                            Another crocoduck
                            So go find a giraffe with wing sprouts, and eyes like those of flies. That will be the best evidence for your creationist ideology.
                            Too bad you can't escape the reality of there being zero transitionals, alive or dead, that would even remotely support the insanity of "evolution" -- that worn-out hypothesis that honest scientists today have already completely abandoned.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NoOtherName View Post

                              It is inconceivable to me that you would predict the kind of thing that would prove creation (or at least disprove evolution) and say those things would be predicted by evolution. I don't want to think you are willfully ignorant of evolution, but what other conclusion can I come to? Any familiarity with the subject would tell you this isn't how any of this works.

                              Look. Most evolution supporters here, if not all, know what Christianity is, and if asked could describe it accurately. I dare any one of the creationists here to do the same for evolution.

                              I think you are scared to understand evolution, because what if it's true??? That would crumble your whole world...even though it wouldn't have to. You are scared of the truth, and scared that people will accept it and ignore what you believe. You failed in the fair court of scientific inquiry, failed in the actual court of law, and now all you can hope for is to indoctrinate students into your beliefs by trying to cut in line past all the evidence, study, and hard work scientific ideas must attain in order to be taught in schools. Well I'm sorry, but religious beliefs have had a head start on science of at least 10,000 years, had control of society, government, and all fields of life... and was the starting assumption of the earliest scientists. And non-supernatural science is STILL winning despite all that! Creationism doesn't DESERVE to be taught in science classes like it was true.
                              I'm calling "evolution" what it actually is .. nonexistent. The God-given ability for species to adapt (adaptation vs. 'evolution') to various changing environments is well documented. What we don't see are jumps to other species, which is what 'evolution' would entail. If you believe God was just responsible for the Big Bang and everything simply 'evolved' from there, then you don't believe God OR the paleontologists who confirm massive creation events (see Cambrian explosion).
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