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  • Gary Lee
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    Keith C said "In this forum, I find it is hard to tell distinguish between genuine posters and trolls".

    "trolls"
    In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

    Hello Keith, Gary here again. You sound very educated. I, being a fairly new poster, have seen posts where some have been accused of being a troll, and though I never knew the definition of an internet forum troll, I surmised it was pretty negative. In your original post, you appeared to be excited that the atheist and agnostics were out numbering Catholics and protestants. I read your link. I do not dispute your findings. However, being a man of faith in God my creator, I happen to remember that Harvard was originally an institution of learning with the education of the ministry a primary goal. The original motto of Harvard was (in Latin): “Truth for Christ and the Church.” In the twentieth century, when Harvard became more secularized, they cut the last part of the phrase, so the motto is only “Truth” (Veritas). Of course, it was not secularism that produced Harvard, but Christianity. I didn't expect you to respond with.......Wow, thanks for showing me that, but I did think you could accept actual credible history. I stuck to the original post, I didn't try off topic provocation, or intent to provoke or disrupt. If you saw it that way, I apologize.
    Not knowing all the rules, is it improper for a christian to post in the Atheists and Agnostics forum.
    What is a genuine poster? (a non christian)? Did you read/understand/believe any of the Harvard history I posted?

    Kieth says....""Much more than blindly quoting biblical verses""..... Are there any other books beside the bible that are not tolerated in this search for truth?



    Gary Lee
    In Him who is
    Semper Fidelis

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  • Keith C
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    In this forum, I find it is hard to tell distinguish between genuine posters and trolls.

    [QUOTE=Gary Lee;7238825
    History of Harvard – Puritan Foundation
    The history of Harvard University begins in 1630, when the Puritans settled Boston and immediately made plans for the establishment of a college to train ministers of the gospel.
    [/QUOTE]

    courses were so arranged that all students worked on related sub-
    jects each day. The schedule was: Monday and Tuesday morn-
    ings, logic (first year), ethics and politics (second year),
    arthmetic, geometry, and astronomy (third year), with study
    and disputation periods in the afternoons; Wednesday, Greek;
    Thursday, Hebrew; Friday, rhetoric; Saturday, divinity catechetical
    and, for freshmen, history and the nature of plants.
    This schedule made it possible for the president to conduct
    all the classes and still have time for administrative duties,
    and it followed the advice of Pierre de La Ramee that students
    should have a lecture on each subject, followed in turn by
    individual study, recitation, discussion, and dis- putation.
    In 1655 the first year was expanded to two years, more attention
    being given to the study of Greek, Hebrew, logic, and metaphysics.
    Development-of-a-curriculum-in-the-early-American-colleges

    Much more than blindly quoting biblical verses.
    Last edited by Keith C; 10-18-15, 12:36 PM.

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  • Gary Lee
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    Keith C said;
    ''You seem to have been misinformed, or do you read with your eyes closed"? (Now wouldn't that be cool)

    Hello Keith Gary here. I said "Originally, Harvard was a school FOR the blind, not OF the blind". I did not intend for the viewers to take that literally.
    My meaning was "a school for the blind (uninformed)/(students) by the sighted (informed)/(teachers) then,(1600's) originally.....vs. what it is today today.
    As far as the history of Harvard goes, maybe you would like to read below.

    History of Harvard

    History of Harvard – Puritan Foundation
    The history of Harvard University begins in 1630, when the Puritans settled Boston and immediately made plans for the establishment of a college to train ministers of the gospel. Harvard was officially born in 1636 and took up John 17:3 as its first goal: “And this is life eternal, that they know Thee to be the only very God and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent” (The Geneva Bible).

    Even to this day, the true goal and history of Harvard is etched in stone: “[One] of the next things we longed for and looked after was to advance learning and perpetuate it to posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches, when our present ministers shall lie in the dust.”1

    History of Harvard – Teaching Truth
    The history of Harvard is grounded in one of its earliest supporters, Rev. John Harvard. Harvard donated books and money for the founding of the new Puritan college in the Boston area, but died young of tuberculosis. Even today, there is a large statue in the school’s quad of Rev. Harvard seated with a gigantic book open on his lap. It is, of course, the Bible. The original motto of Harvard was (in Latin): “Truth for Christ and the Church.” In the twentieth century, when Harvard became more secularized, they cut the last part of the phrase, so the motto is only “Truth” (Veritas). Of course, it was not secularism that produced Harvard, but Christianity.

    History of Harvard – The Point of Higher Education
    The history of Harvard continues with the “Harvard College Laws” of 1642 (from “New England’s First Fruits”). They quote a few Scriptures to show what the point of all their study is: to know God better. For example:

    2. Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John 17:3)… And seeing the Lord only gives wisdom, let everyone seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of Him (Proverbs 2:3).

    3. Everyone shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day that he shall be ready to give such an account of his proficiency therein, both in theoretical observations of the language and the logic, and in practical and spiritual truths, as his tutor shall require, according to his ability; seeing the entrance of the word giveth light, it giveth understanding, to the simple (Psalm 119:130).2

    History of Harvard – Christian Roots, Secular Future
    The true history of Harvard University is Christian. In fact, Harvard was essentially Christian longer than it has been secular. There is still some Christianity present, but it is not the dominant force by any means. But again, secularism did not produce this great institution, the religion of Jesus did.


    Gary Lee
    In Him who is
    Semper Fidelis

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  • Keith C
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    Originally posted by Gary Lee View Post
    Originally, Harvard was a school FOR the blind, not OF the blind.
    But even die-hard Harvard buffs are not likely to know all of these Harvard firsts and historical snippets.
    Year Description
    1607 John Harvard, the College’s future namesake and first benefactor, was baptized at St. Saviour’s Church (now Southwark Cathedral), London.
    1635 John Harvard received his M.A. from Cambridge University, England.
    1636 First College in American colonies founded. The “Great and General Court of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England” approves 400 for the establishment of “a schoale or colledge” later to be called “Harvard.”
    1637 The Great and General Court orders the “colledge” established one year earlier to be located at Newetowne (renamed “Cambrige” in 1638).
    Late 1637 or early 1638 The Overseers purchased the College’s first piece of real estate: a house and an acre of land from Goodman Peyntree. Located on the southern edge of “Cow-yard Row” and soon distinguished as the “College Yard,” this tract became the nucleus of present-day Harvard Yard and remains at the southern end of the Old Yard (the area west of Thayer, University, and Weld halls).
    1638 John Harvard wills his library (400 books) and half his estate to the College.
    1639 In recognition of John Harvard’s bequest, the Great and General Court orders “that the colledge agreed upon formerly to bee built at Cambridg shalbee called Harvard Colledge.”
    1640 Reverend Henry Dunster is appointed first president of Harvard.
    1642 First Harvard Commencement with nine graduates.
    1649 The Town of Cambridge and President Henry Dunster give Harvard the “College Farm” at Billerica, Mass., which paid annual rent to the College until the farm was sold in 1775.
    1650 Harvard granted Charter, still in effect today (with 2010 amendments).
    ...................................
    Historical Facts

    You seem to have been misinformed, or do you read with your eyes closed?

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  • Gary Lee
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    Originally Posted by Keith C ;
    "This survey may not have been very scientific, but they certainly are encouraging.


    Originally, Harvard was a school FOR the blind, not OF the blind.


    I never saw a moor,
    I never saw the sea;
    Yet know I how the heather looks,
    And what a wave must be.

    I never spoke with God,
    Nor visited in heaven
    Yet certain am I of the spot
    As if the chart were given.

    Emily Dickinson (1830-1886)

    Gary Lee
    In Him who is
    Semper Fidelis

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by Keith C View Post
    This survey may not have been very scientific, but they certainly are encouraging.

    There-are-more-atheists-and-agnostics-entering-harvard-than-protestants-and-catholics
    So everything is as it was expected to be. No Surprises.

    Simple as that.

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