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  • The six genders

    ...in Classical Judaism.
    • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as male in English.

      Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as female in English.

      Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both male and female sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

      Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Aylonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as female at birth but develops male characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as male at birth but develops female characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be naturally a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


    "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

    http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

    Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
    Does the evidence for the origin of the universe indicate a supernatural cause? I have seen it claimed, but never supported.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
    ...in Classical Judaism.
    • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

      Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

      Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

      Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


    "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

    http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

    Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
    In days long ago there were just two genders. Now we have Dennis Rodman and Hillary Clinton and the merry band of confused sexually disoriented demoncrap perverts.
    I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

    If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

    For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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    • #3
      Originally posted by marke View Post

      In days long ago there were just two genders. Now we have Dennis Rodman and Hillary Clinton and the merry band of confused sexually disoriented demoncrap perverts.
      Apart from in days gone by we had six, or did you just not bother to read.
      Does the evidence for the origin of the universe indicate a supernatural cause? I have seen it claimed, but never supported.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post

        Apart from in days gone by we had six, or did you just not bother to read.
        You had six genders or six nouns, pronouns and adjectives?
        I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

        If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

        For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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        • #5
          Originally posted by marke View Post

          You had six genders or six nouns, pronouns and adjectives?
          I didn't have anything. Classical Judaism recognised six genders. What is your opinion on that (and can you answer without red herrings like Hillary Clinton or 'Demoncraps')?
          Does the evidence for the origin of the universe indicate a supernatural cause? I have seen it claimed, but never supported.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post

            I didn't have anything. Classical Judaism recognised six genders. What is your opinion on that (and can you answer without red herrings like Hillary Clinton or 'Demoncraps')?
            I don't agree. Perhaps you are missing something important in the translation.
            I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

            If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

            For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
              ...in Classical Judaism.
              • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

                Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

                Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

                Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


              "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

              http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

              Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
              Great OP.

              Categories are all subjective and languages are always in flux. Not understanding this simple fact causes so many problems.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by marke View Post

                I don't agree. Perhaps you are missing something important in the translation.
                I see, so this has to agree with your viewpoint? Tell you what, answer as if you could even consider the possibilty that binary gendered is not the best way to look at humanity. Answer as if you could consider that the commonality of male and female does not equate to superiority. Will you do that?
                Does the evidence for the origin of the universe indicate a supernatural cause? I have seen it claimed, but never supported.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post

                  I see, so this has to agree with your viewpoint? Tell you what, answer as if you could even consider the possibilty that binary gendered is not the best way to look at humanity. Answer as if you could consider that the commonality of male and female does not equate to superiority. Will you do that?
                  Male and female. How hard is that? For bozo bonobos who mistakenly think humans are apes, how many different genders do apes have in the savage wild? Forty?
                  I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                  If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                  For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marke View Post

                    Male and female. How hard is that? For bozo bonobos who mistakenly think humans are apes, how many different genders do apes have in the savage wild? Forty?
                    It's not hard. it's also not correct, evidently.
                    "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Aussieguy View Post

                      It's not hard. it's also not correct, evidently.
                      What is not hard? Discovering how many genders of apes exist in the savage wild? I don't think apes have confused sexual identity issues and apes certainly don't abort their babies.
                      I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                      If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                      For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
                        ...in Classical Judaism.
                        • Zachar/: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as male in English.

                          Nekeivah/: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as female in English.

                          Androgynos/: A person who has both male and female sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

                          Tumtum/ A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                          Aylonit/: A person who is identified as female at birth but develops male characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                          Saris/: A person who is identified as male at birth but develops female characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be naturally a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.
                        "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

                        http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

                        Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
                        A fine example of how Liberals have destroyed science and replaced biology with stupid BS.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
                          ...in Classical Judaism.
                          • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

                            Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

                            Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

                            Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                            Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

                            Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


                          "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

                          http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

                          Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
                          Indeed, numerous societies both extant and extinct have recognized the fact that there are more than two genders, for millenia.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hemi View Post

                            A fine example of how Liberals have destroyed science and replaced biology with stupid BS.
                            Yes, gotta look out for those 'liberal' classical Jews.......
                            A Forum Trump Follower:

                            "Maybe the Jews invented the Nazi's. Some have suggested that. It's not so farfetched."

                            "Didn't the Mossad have something to do with 911?"

                            "If they don't want to get run down, maybe they should stay out of the street."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hemi View Post

                              A fine example of how Liberals have destroyed science and replaced biology with stupid BS.
                              The only use liberals have for science is when the have an opportunity to use it to try to clobber some one.

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