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  • Burlow Beanie
    started a topic The six genders

    The six genders

    ...in Classical Judaism.
    • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

      Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

      Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

      Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


    "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

    http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

    Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.

  • Aussieguy
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    Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
    But you don't know anything at all about science.
    not true. He knows how to spell it. Beyond that, don't try to argue with him. He's an obvious troll. Poe's law in action.

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  • brightmorningstar
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    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post

    Nope, you just can't grasp that gender is not the same thing as sex.
    Look, gender do da has gender non-binary which is not identifying with either the male or female sex. So whilst you are correct that gender is not sex, gender ideology is the deception used to pretend the two are the same.
    A lecturer on TV in Canada recently claimed its a myth that there is biological sex. He lectures in transgender studies! He postures as though this is known by science for some time and he can 'unpack' that. He cant. I can unpack it, its called deception.

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  • brightmorningstar
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    Originally posted by America View Post
    There are more than two combinations.

    Science disputes your understanding of sex, not me.
    No my question remains.. So you dispute the chromosomes determine the sex of a person?
    The link you gave describes the sexes, the determination of which is scientific and 'gender' which is social construct, and wrong in my opinion.

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  • Hemi
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    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post

    Nope, you just can't grasp that gender is not the same thing as sex.
    Gender is Male and Female. Liberals have foolishly and ignorantly and unscientifically added what they claim is more Genders, but Sex and Gender are used synonymously when they are used in context of determining Gender.

    All the new invented Genders for perverts, are not objective and are not biological traits. Sex is the term they use to define how they perform the act of sex. The new Miley Cyrus Gender for example is Pansexual. Biology cannot define it, predict it, or duplicate it and point to any biological factor and say "That's Gender Pansexual". She says she likes Sex with anything, and so that defines her Gender as Pervsexual or Pansexual. She doesn't say she likes to have "Gender" with anything. She has Sex with anything. Her newly invented Liberal Gender is Pansexual.

    Then again Caitlyn Jenner claims his Sex is "Female" when asked what his Sex is. California has even passed a law that criminalizes calling Bruce "Gender Male" and so his Sex is Female if you don't want to go to jail. See It's the context in which it's used. Perverts and Liberals who go along with them, are more than willing to destroy science in order to condone and approve of immorality.

    We know these at all invented and are not biologically or scientifically real Genders, because only the Male and Female Genders are objectively provable. Even anomalies and genetic defects are observed and can be known because the Male or Female chromosomes are known.

    See, it's not brain surgery, even though ALL liberals are mentally challenged and need some surgery or medicine. There are TWO, repeat TWO scientific and biological Genders. Male and Female. There are not 6 or 56, there are only two. That's the baseline to work with. Anything more can either be genetically observed or it comes from Liberal perverts, there is no other option. The Jewish Talmud does not list 6 Genders, that is a lie from Liberals. Indian transvestites are just like transvestites and crossdressers from any other art of the world and so NO, they do not count as a third Gender either.

    Claiming Sex and Gender are two different things is also a liberal insult to homosexuals and Lesbians and Pansexuals and all the other perverts who want their own special place. The Gender alphabet for example lists Homosexuals gender as G's, or Gay. The homosexuals with an ounce of smart will tell you their Gender is Male, not G or Gay, that defines their sexual orientation and not their Sex or Gender. But most of us don't expect moronic liberals to think about their foolishness and how they confuse themselves with heir own contradictions.

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  • JamesTheLesser
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    Originally posted by Simpletruther View Post

    The last 4 seem to be describing sexual features, not gender.
    Correct. Seems a premature spiking of the football or something. I guess I should expect it, when most liberals think the news and ideas today, are all new.

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  • ignatius
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    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post

    Non sequitur
    it's quite clear that in spite of all the mouth breathing leftist drivel the are significant differences between the sexes and all the whining from you people will never change that.

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  • somnia
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    Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
    ...in Classical Judaism.
    • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

      Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

      Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

      Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


    "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

    http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

    Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
    Considering in the OT if your genitals as a male were not intact (or there) you were barred from the assembly of Yahweh...I think the implications of the Jewish categories are something other than what you may think.

    Incidentally on a related subject you may have missed my thread here, feel free to give an answer on the subject if you'd like:

    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/se...-t-out-of-lgbt

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  • Josheb
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    Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
    Note how easy it was for you to dismiss based on two points that actually have very little to do with the content. I think we have learned a lot about how you treat things you disagree with. And I note that you didn't bother to respond to any of my other points such as God's commands.
    Practice what you preach, Burlow: not a single aspect of my op-reply was soundly addressed. Everything I wrote was factually correct and in now way did I once even come close to saying A&E were actualities. Your response was fallacious and avoidant and now your best response is to falsely say I was dismissive.


    As I said last time: your own posts prove me correct. You have no idea what you're talking about. The website is politically biased and there's nothing "classically" Jewish about any of it.

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  • Simpletruther
    replied
    Originally posted by Burlow Beanie View Post
    ...in Classical Judaism.
    • Zachar/זָכָר: This term is derived from the word for a pointy sword and refers to a phallus. It is usually translated as “male” in English.

      Nekeivah/נְקֵבָה: This term is derived from the word for a crevice and probably refers to a vaginal opening. It is usually translated as “female” in English.

      Androgynos/אַנְדְּרוֹגִינוֹס: A person who has both “male” and “female” sexual characteristics. 149 references in Mishna and Talmud (1st-8th Centuries CE); 350 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes (2nd -16th Centuries CE).

      Tumtum/ טֻומְטוּם A person whose sexual characteristics are indeterminate or obscured. 181 references in Mishna and Talmud; 335 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Ay’lonit/איילונית: A person who is identified as “female” at birth but develops “male” characteristics at puberty and is infertile. 80 references in Mishna and Talmud; 40 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.

      Saris/סריס: A person who is identified as “male” at birth but develops “female” characteristics as puberty and/or is lacking a penis. A saris can be “naturally” a saris (saris hamah), or become one through human intervention (saris adam). 156 references in mishna and Talmud; 379 in classical midrash and Jewish law codes.


    "So how did we get to this point, where the assumption has become that only male and female exist? It's a classic example of commonality being equated to superiority. Because male and female are the two most common categories, they were assumed to be "better," rather than "typical." As we have come to understand the complexities of gender more and more in secular society, these Judaic classifications are beginning to appear more and more often and we can clearly see that our ancestors were quite progressive when it comes to gender."

    http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

    Could it be that if you have a binary idea of gender, probably derived from your upbringing and justified by passages in the Bible, you have been wrong all this time? It seems that Classical Judaism understood gender far better, and we are moving towards a better and more fitting understanding in secular society today.
    The last 4 seem to be describing sexual features, not gender.

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  • GondwanaLand
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    Originally posted by ignatius View Post

    from Harvard women and public policy program which suggest in spite of all your leftist drivel this happens:

    Although considerable gains have been made in reducing the gender gap in education and labor market outcomes, it has yet to completely disappear. Men are still significantly more likely to graduate from college with a major in science, technology, engineering or mathematics (STEM), which can lead to higher earning careers. In the Netherlands, students selecting into the prestigious “math track” are overwhelmingly male while those selecting into the less prestigious “literature track” are predominantly female. This gap is important because the choices of math and science classes are the largest predictor of college attendance and completion. Educational outcomes relate to labor market outcomes as performance in those classes is a consistent predictor for future earnings. Psychological factors and ability have commonly been used to explain these gender differences, however, very little evidence has been found to support these claims. Another theory suggests that women are less likely to choose to participate in competitive environments, which may self-select them into arts and humanities – fields that tend to have lower salaries. In this paper, the authors assess the relationship between competitiveness and gender differences in educational outcomes. Findings

    The authors administered an experiment in Dutch secondary schools where grade 9 students select one of four study tracks. The experiment had students perform tasks in competitive and non-competitive environments. Competitive environments featured a tournament payment scheme (i.e., only the top performer was paid), while the non-competitive environment featured a piece-rate payment scheme (i.e., all individuals are paid per unit of output they produce).
    • The authors find significant gender differences in competitiveness. Boys were two times more likely than girls to select the competitive incentive scheme (i.e., winner-takes-all) for the subsequent round in the experiment.
    • Girls were significantly less confident than boys about their performance relative to others. Differences in confidence between girls and boys partially drive the gender gap in competitiveness. However, controlling for performance, confidence, and risk aversion, the gender gap in willingness to compete persists.
    • The researchers obtained data on students’ subsequent choice of academic track at the end of the school year. Girls were significantly less likely than boys to choose the prestigious, math intensive tracks; this gender gap was significant after controlling for academic performance and perceived math ability.
    • Next, the experimenters examined the correlation between willingness to compete (manifested during the experiment) and students’ subsequent choice of academic track (at the end of the school year). There was a significant correlation between competitiveness and subsequent academic choice. Controlling for grades, perceived math ability, confidence and risk attitudes, competitiveness still accounts for 15% of the gender gap in the prestige of chosen academic track.

    In short, gender differences in competitiveness influence students’ academic decisions and subsequent career choices.
    Non sequitur

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  • ignatius
    replied
    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post
    from Harvard women and public policy program which suggest in spite of all your leftist drivel this happens:

    Although considerable gains have been made in reducing the gender gap in education and labor market outcomes, it has yet to completely disappear. Men are still significantly more likely to graduate from college with a major in science, technology, engineering or mathematics (STEM), which can lead to higher earning careers. In the Netherlands, students selecting into the prestigious “math track” are overwhelmingly male while those selecting into the less prestigious “literature track” are predominantly female. This gap is important because the choices of math and science classes are the largest predictor of college attendance and completion. Educational outcomes relate to labor market outcomes as performance in those classes is a consistent predictor for future earnings. Psychological factors and ability have commonly been used to explain these gender differences, however, very little evidence has been found to support these claims. Another theory suggests that women are less likely to choose to participate in competitive environments, which may self-select them into arts and humanities – fields that tend to have lower salaries. In this paper, the authors assess the relationship between competitiveness and gender differences in educational outcomes. Findings

    The authors administered an experiment in Dutch secondary schools where grade 9 students select one of four study tracks. The experiment had students perform tasks in competitive and non-competitive environments. Competitive environments featured a tournament payment scheme (i.e., only the top performer was paid), while the non-competitive environment featured a piece-rate payment scheme (i.e., all individuals are paid per unit of output they produce).
    • The authors find significant gender differences in competitiveness. Boys were two times more likely than girls to select the competitive incentive scheme (i.e., winner-takes-all) for the subsequent round in the experiment.
    • Girls were significantly less confident than boys about their performance relative to others. Differences in confidence between girls and boys partially drive the gender gap in competitiveness. However, controlling for performance, confidence, and risk aversion, the gender gap in willingness to compete persists.
    • The researchers obtained data on students’ subsequent choice of academic track at the end of the school year. Girls were significantly less likely than boys to choose the prestigious, math intensive tracks; this gender gap was significant after controlling for academic performance and perceived math ability.
    • Next, the experimenters examined the correlation between willingness to compete (manifested during the experiment) and students’ subsequent choice of academic track (at the end of the school year). There was a significant correlation between competitiveness and subsequent academic choice. Controlling for grades, perceived math ability, confidence and risk attitudes, competitiveness still accounts for 15% of the gender gap in the prestige of chosen academic track.
    In short, gender differences in competitiveness influence students’ academic decisions and subsequent career choices.

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  • GondwanaLand
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    Originally posted by ignatius View Post

    It's irrelevant what you call it as left to their own devices girls would wear dresses and make up and boys won't.
    Bahahahahahaha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilt) hahahahahahahahahahaha (http://www.greekboston.com/wp-conten...toric-Past.jpg) hhahahahaahahahah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_skirts) hahahahahahahahaah

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  • ignatius
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    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post

    Nope, you just can't grasp that gender is not the same thing as sex.
    It's irrelevant what you call it as left to their own devices girls would wear dresses and make up and boys won't.

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  • GondwanaLand
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    Originally posted by ignatius View Post

    Well then you have an entirely different understanding of that idea than some people who have told me that gender is merely a social construct. I suspect left to their own devices most girls would wear dresses, makeup etc etc.
    Nope, you just can't grasp that gender is not the same thing as sex.

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